希望得到李龙唱的（百万军中藏阿斗〕曲词。谢谢。

Me too.

I will send the song words of 百萬軍中藏阿斗 to A-Lap but I don't whether it is sung by "李龍".

Please note my reply "I don't whether" should be " I don't know whether".

湛 & CK Yin：

我已將【百萬軍中藏阿斗】的曲譜寄給阿立，是李龍唱的。

KK
2.5.2004

將 相 和

Thanks!

I have put the song in request list.

Thanks, please add"百 萬 軍 中 藏 阿 斗" to the request list.

The song has added in requested list.

Thank you very much for providing such wonderful web site for the Cantonese Opera lovers around the world.

立兄：

請注意曲詞集內朱弁回朝哭主的曲詞與林家聲所唱不符，此曲詞應為文千歲所唱的。未知曲友們能有這首曲詞。

是不是文千歲所唱的我不知﹐ 但此曲詞跟原唱者陳笑風所唱一模一樣。
不但此曲詞, 招魂曲詞也是一樣照抄原譜。

文千歲所唱的曲本全改了歌詞的,包括 ( 狄青闖三關、雲夢繞山河 )，所以唱社團粵曲的學員多留意。

孤舟提出陳笑風所唱的哭主及招魂與曲詞一樣，本人十分同意，因為文千歲會更改一些行腔及一些曲詞。初哥所提是對的，他唱的鳳閣恩仇未了情與麥炳榮所唱的曲詞是有很大分別的

當然啦﹐先不說大老倌自有他自己的風格及行腔﹐你唱或我唱出同一首歌都不會一樣。近年陳笑風唱的再進沈園和紫鳳樓就跟原唱者的腔口全不一樣。

如有興趣欣賞大哥風獨唱曲者，請到以下港台重溫節目，包括有「 朱牟回朝之招魂 」「 山伯臨終 」「 唐明皇月殿重遊 」「 情僧偷到瀟湘館 」http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/radio5/tconight/20040307.html

曲友如有林冢聲所唱朱弁回朝哭主的曲詞，請寄給阿立。謝謝！

Please note my reply "I don't whether" should be " I don't know whether".

could anyone please tell me why every time the song word page says Excel, when I open it all I can see just all a a a a a a, no words at all, but when it says word, I had no problem to see the song words

Please check whether you have installled the software of MS Excel.

请问各位知音，何谓天然腔，何谓半天然腔。

網主：

《司馬琴挑》有兩處遺漏，請代修正，謝謝。

(1)第５頁，Cell AA111 漏了一「叮」，請代點上。
(2)第８頁，Cell M181 漏了一個「有」字，亦請補上。謝謝。

多謝告知，已修改。

Alap,

Do u know any opera school that learning lession held in the daytime ? Anybody can tell me? But i am a beginner.

1) If you just want to learn singing opera song , pls refer to 相關網頁 click 韻文粵劇學苑 click 油尖康體粵曲班. There is lesson in daytime.
2) Also, you can refer to 鳳飛翔曲藝劇苑 in 相關網頁.
3) 留言 N0.618

Money:
If you just want to learn the elementary skill of singing opera, you're welcome to come to us(my husband and me),we have the experience to teach the beginners especially the elder aged and the kids

Dear Brother Lap

Is it possible to translate some of your text into English especially item 1, 2, 3 & 5 in your Ah Lap Yuet Kook Tin Teh??? It will really helps those people like me (yeong ku!!) that what our local CO singers called those who dont know chinese but enjoy the art as much as them! hehehehe

Since translation from Canton Opera song is a great project, I think I can't fulfill your expectation, at least, in this moment.

亞立，您好，我是第一次留言給你，我對電郵歌曲很有興趣，亦已下載了"jetAudio"，但看不明如何操作。未知這個軟件可否將錄音帶直接轉錄到電腦呢？
另外，可否電郵"紅樓夢之葬花"(對唱版本)全首給我呢？不情之請，請恕我唐突！
繼續努力，我會繼續支持這個網頁。

"jetAudio"是可將錄音帶直接轉錄到電腦的，請到粵曲大笪地參考用法。
"紅樓夢之葬花＂我錄了之後會 email 給妳，不過我有的版本質素頗差，而且，近半小時的曲需三至四 Mbyte容量，希望妳的郵箱OK.

亞立:很多謝你的幫忙，我不會介意版本質素，如果我給你的郵箱真的不夠大，那我便多給你另外一個電郵地址(請留意這個[回覆]"你的電郵地址(如有)跟上次的不同)。
我已看過jetAudio的使用方法，但到了最後的部份，便發覺這個軟件不大適合我，因我不懂怎樣將錄音機的output連接到電腦sound card l的 line in，於是我便下載另外的real encoder，但連續試了幾次，都只顯示"要我關掉一些程式，和另外有人同時進行下載"的意思的英文字句，所以至今仍未能下載成功！如果我仍然想寄曲給你，我該怎辦？

無論用任何錄音軟件，都要解决曲的輸入的問题，Jetaudio和 Real Encoder都是一樣。每一張 Sound card，都應有 line in，妳在電腦後面插喇叭的地方應可找到。
Real Encoder安裝不到，我估計可能妳有RealPlayer的程式在應用中，必須先關掉，而且在電腦右下方有關 Real Player的 icon亦須關掉。
如果妳想寄曲給我，可以郵寄下列地址：
香港
九 龍 中 央 郵 政 局 郵 政 信 箱 7 2 6 9 7 號
阿 立 粵 曲 天 地 收

亞立：再次多謝你的意見，我會再嘗試移開電腦，到後面找出你說的插喇叭地方。

曲已錄好，兩個電郵地址都試過，可惜都未能成功。

亞立：那怎辦？可不可以分幾個郵件(上，下集)寄給我呢？

請 click 下列連結下載：

http://kwsar.websitehk.com/song/open/flower.rm

明天此連結將關閉。

亞立：又再次多謝你這麼徹底的幫忙！

多謝阿立及A Ming幫忙, 如有風流夢歌詞, 煩請email給我
Thanks.

很高興詞曲集可以續運作!

why曲詞集關掉???

abc:曲詞集沒有關掉！

我好開心見到你們重開曲詞集的決定,

Alap,

Thanks reopen the Songs Word Sheet, Thanks u and A lam make a right decision to every opera fans, keep it up. We support u, i love u both.

Thanks.................!

Alap, do u have the Shum King Tong words sheet. And what is the story about? Anybody know?

Do you mean Jaam ging tong? It is about story of Ng Hon. Sun Ma Tsai already sung this opera long ago entitled "yat ba chuen jung gim". Do you know that?

Your wanted word sheet is「斬經堂」？

A lap,

u are right, where can i get this song,

I have put it in request list.

請問有冇風流夢歌詞, 如有, 請電邸給我, 可以嗎
謝謝

此曲我沒有肴，請諒。

I know my friend had the word pages. Let me ask them. Wish me luck !

Thanks A-Ming！

阿立

請問有冇龍的傳人工尺曲譜及簡譜????
如有, 請電邸給我, 可以嗎
謝謝

「龍的傳人」是粵曲？希望有人可幫到妳。

請問閣下有"願為蝴蝶繞孤墳"的工尺曲譜嗎?
本人現想學此曲, 但苦無曲譜.
請幫忙, 謝謝

此曲曲詞最近找到，會儘快登出。

阿立, 阿藍 :

曲詞集能重開, 很開心, 謝謝你們

阿立: 請收 e-mail

請你唔好走~~~
我們的好老師(余sir)

~請唔好恨我們~

我和阿藍雖然未就「曲詞集」的開放問題達成共識，但均决定將「曲詞集」暫時開放，我們仍然會繼續對本網站各欗作出深入的檢討，不排除隨時重新関閉及改變開放形式的可能性，還望各曲友見諒。
網主：阿立，阿藍

commonsense prevail

網主：

《前程萬里》和《司馬琴挑》已電郵予你，聊表我對【曲詞集】重開的謝意與支持。

曲已收到，十分多謝。

前一段時間當我打開阿立粵曲天地時,我發覺曲詞集關閉了,我很失望,於是我就去留言版嘗試找出原因,這時我才知道問題所在,現在重開我覺得很開心,因為你終於不負廣大的曲迷所支持,亞立!努力呀!

網主們：

你們能排除萬難，可以重開曲詞集，對粵曲有興趣之仕幫助良多，無言感激!!!

Dear Brother Lap

Thanks a million for re-opening the lyrics section again.

please check word page #5016 because #5016 is the same as #5015, it must be a mistake


p.s. thank you for re-open the song-word page, this is the best things to do for all our chinese opera song lovers. thanks again A-lap and A-nam

The item corrected. thank you.

i am a new comer, very happy to see the
reopen of song words page, it is a good action!

thankyou very much re-opening

pk：可否將第五台之網址相告，是否
http://www.rthk.org.com謝謝

好開心,曲詞集重見,謝謝!!!!!!!!!!!!

阿立粵曲天地終於撥開雲霧見青天
是好事一樁

Congratulations to the Re-opening of 曲詞集。Most thankful to 阿立和阿藍’s decision. 衷心感激，如果有慶祝會更好！！

丫頭

Happy to see it again.
Keep going !

立兄：

請删除第６３２留言。

I'm glad to see the Song-Word page re-open too.


A-Lap & A-Larm

Thanks for your kind decision !!

Love you both !!

I'm very glad to see that <曲詞集> is finally back! Thank you!

朋友們:
有誰知何處可買到白鳳女唱"去國歸降"的VCD?我已找遍賣粵曲的影碟鋪頭了,都失敗而回,因曾在NEWAY唱過,短版的較為易學!
煩請通知,謝謝!

几威 :
是郭鳳女還是白鳳女呢？

Annie友:
是郭鳳女,多謝

有一隻短版的"去國歸降"VCD，但只是李池湘和何華棧合唱，共9分16秒，封面是﹝何華棧粵劇藝術專輯第四輯﹞，可以在粵曲的影碟鋪頭找到。

Danny :
李池湘和何華棧的我有,但沒有前段的"遺民淚"郭鳳女的較全面。謝謝提供！

仍有朋友可提供嗎?

羅家寶,林錦屏有全套去國歸降
.

AMY:羅家寶,林錦屏是短版嗎?

几威：羅家寶，林錦屏的去國歸降是短版的，
另外梁耀安的去國歸降也是短版的。
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南軒,pk:
一併多謝各位曾提供的朋友,因這首曲由拒絕至接受的過程,使我加深歌詞的興趣,所以欣賞曲中演唱的意境,繼而喜歡曲韻,所以不惜學習模仿,但長版人物太多,對我初學者感到難度,唯有退而求其次,由淺入深,而郭鳳女,梁耀安是我初入門時聽過,所以不斷搜尋罷了,有勞各位,在此謝謝!

真可惜,我還有很
多曲詞未download

Alap,

Me too, would u consider to open again for a short period. then we can download the songs what we want. Thanks

我很難过,因喜欢边看边唱,到底何時重开.

曲詞集打不开,很難过

曲詞集己關閉!!!!!!

希望得到李龙唱的（百万军中藏阿斗〕曲词,
email pls

阿立哥請問林家聲的講座在那��?幾時?

謝謝你!

CHEUK先生, Fans:
我從未聽過林家聲的講座，不知 Fans 曲友在那篇筆記得知呢？

Alap,

It is a Lam Ka Sing interview in the RTHK chinese opera programme, right? not the "jiang zuo". Do u mentioned it before in ur diary. I want to listen.

I hope u can supply more old interview in ur web.
It is very interesting. I love to hear and share their opera experience.

Thanks.

I have no idea about the interview. Can you tell me what is the notes number you saw in 學曲筆記 ?

Please note the date and time.

Thanks!

近日上網收不到第五台粵曲天地，不知何解是否網址有變，可否指教。

近半月我多次試過仍不成功，我居國內不知是否近曰被干擾。

近半月我多次試過仍不成功，我居國內不知是否近曰被干擾。

Sorry.

I suggest to e-mail HK Radio station's customer service for help.

It is working where I am.

1.Please advise as to get access to lyrics.....PIN.

2.Are we trying to "kill" 粤曲 ？The reason why we get into this webpage is because of the love for 粤曲。。。right? So, I am appealing to you to stop quarrelling.
Personal differences should be settled privately. Maybe, if you can afford, hire a public stage and debate vocally where you can meet face to face to settle your differences. You may say that you don't eat chillies, but many others do. Your father likes to sleep with your mother. It does not apply that others would want to sleep with her too. My GOD! Do you need to force others to like what you like? We are civilised, aren't we? So, please, give 阿立 a break. Thank you. And my apologies if I seem to be offensive.

Dont'get mad.

Most opera singers start at middle age without previous singing experience. They often have no sense of rhythm. They usually have no basic knowledge in music. Yet they like to perform very soon after they learn a song.........

I suggest newcomers to really put in some hard work on learning the basics and listening to good pieces rather than wanting to sing with them so readily.

If you cannot sing in tune, and cannot get the rhythm correct you cannot build any further on your hobby

Practice makes perfect. We should encourage the new learners instead of critizing them. Singing is a hobby, a way to release stress, to make oneself feel good.

Keep up the good work, new learners!

CK Yin

It is really good comments of Sam and CK. Both are correct. On the one hand singing is a habbit and a way to release our tension, on the other, unless your are singing songs with only yourself, I think you should respect your partner and should not sing with him/her if you have no confidence especially when both of you are paying for the singing. Besides, it is not only a matter of money but also the time of your partner should be treasured.

Practice makes perfect

practise the wrong thing never make it perfect.
People think that just keep singing the same song woudl improve their singing. It does not. It only get you into deep deep bad habit and cannot get out. Need to feel for the melody, feel for the timing.

Bad singing really is bad. bad for the partner, bad for the musicians and bad for the audience.
People who just enjoying singing and not even care to improve would be the ones no one want to sing withthem. If that is you....then think and reflect

only trying to encourage new comers to take their first step n the right path. Good luck!

sam wong 說得很對,
不過現在的人唱粵曲只是在娛己愚人, 要學基本知識談可容易, 我估計現在的教粵曲師傅, 有些都不懂粵曲的基本知識, 只是教人唱歌, 學唱者也十分滿意, 不要太過執著吧, 喜歡便唱幾句. 管它甚麼梆黃上下句, 管它收合收尺, 也不要執著於曲詞的好壞, 唱得出口便好了,

Sam Wong is right.

At least 95% of the singers should have get hold of the basic knowledge and singing techique in cantonese opera songs and should also practised more and worked harder for at least a couple of years before they could perform publicly.

It would be better if they could get some sort of recognition or certification.

But this should apply to all including yougsters and not only middle-agers.

There is NO right or wrong!

This is a matter of option. I respect yours and thank you for respecting mine.

It depends on where the "performent" takes place. If one performs in a private group with friends and teacher, one should feel free to "perform". Real friends will understand and support you with love.

On the other hand if a person is not ready, should not perform in "public"

I love Billy's 娛己愚人. I hope I am not 愚己愚人.

Sam Wong 說的很對. 初學唱歌者最重要是把基本弄好. 但我覺得這不是 Billy 的要求.

Billy 要求的懂得結構和唱腔, 那是中級的學問, 對初學者是貪心了一點. 初學者要把握好的是要求音準,拍子穩, 呼吸, 和發聲.

Hello Brother Lap,

I agree with the above discussions. I like to learn more about the basic steps of singing. Our association is basically accompanying us only. Where can I obtain the actual basic steps beside HK and China?

Quote "practise the wrong thing never make it perfect.
People think that just keep singing the same song woudl improve their singing. It does not. It only get you into deep deep bad habit and cannot get out. Need to feel for the melody, feel for the timing."


What about熟能生巧？

熟能生巧?
can anyone play the piano by themselves and become a 'proper' pianist, or a carpenter, or.....
that is why there are schools and colleges, extramural studies etc.....
That is why we call them professional becasue they can teach us how to learn.

yes, a lot of people can 熟能生巧. Usually they are talented in that area to suceed by 熟能生巧. Otherwise it can take a long long time before any achievement can take place.

All I am saying is that if one tries to learn Chinese oera, and any kind of music for that matter one should learn to 'Read' music, not just by imitation, pure memory or talent. You can leave all the knowledge as discusse in 學曲筆記 to people who write the opera. For a singer without the skill of reading music, 12345 or other form 'kung check' etc he or she cannot build on their hard work.

You must be able to see that that it is happening everywhere. People are learning a song, one by one. How many can 'gradute' and starting singing new song by themsel;ves????????They are forever a studnet of their si fu. Forever paying to learn another new song.

熟能生巧 does not apply to most people.

熟能生巧 only applies to when one are doing things correctly.
If you are not doing/singing correctly, the more you practice, the longer you practice, the more difficult it is for you to correct your mistakes.
People who can not get in tune or get the correct beat will have a hell of a time trying to change the more they practice incorrectly- because the longer they stay that way, the more they feel it is correct.

Quote: "can anyone play the piano by themselves and become a 'proper' pianist, or a carpenter, or....."

Certainly, that is why they have those Life-time DIY (do it yourself) books. I guess the difference is length and depth, apart from public recohnition (certificate, diploma, etc.)

I have another thing here. How about learning from imitation. A lot of people do that.

When you live at the edge of the globe, Cantonese opera teacher is the rarest thing around. First learning by imitation. Then you have the basic and then we talk about 熟能生巧.


Quote "People who can not get in tune or get the correct beat will have a hell of a time trying to change the more they practice incorrectly- because the longer they stay that way, the more they feel it is correcte".

This is the sheer lack of insight on the part of the person under discussion and has nothing do with the methodology.


I hope I am not ofending those" properly trained" in Schools of Performance Arts.

How about learning from imitation. A lot of people do that.............and a lot of people can not sing a single song without making bad mistakes.

First learning by imitation. Then you have the basic ....................may not correlate


anyway so be it. happy singing

We are comparing oranges and apples.

There are people who can learn on their owns. There are people who just can't learn.

There are people who like to do every thing perfertly.
There are people who just don't care.

There are people have and willing to spend lots money in opera.
There are people don't have or unwilling to pay for opera lessons.

There are people who love to perform in front of public.
There are people have stage fright.

There are have the so call "talent and basics"
I don't.

Dear CK,

I couldn't agree with you more. I rest my case.

Rock on

Thanks, Kwan!

Big thanks to Al Lap to create this wonderful web site.

Thank you to freedom of speech.

Thanks!!!

I am saying exactly that.
Money is the start of all evil. I definitely disagree with the big gifts 100%

I also do not really go along with the little fees. I know that that is the way it is. I would rather get together with friends, improve the singing and enjoy each other's company rather than go there, sing a song, feeling good and start bitching about each other. I am afraid that this is happening here in most clubs. I think this is also the picture elsewhere. As i said if a club is advertised as money making club then it is fair to charge anything. But I myself would feel that I play to make a living rather than to enjoy a weekend pastime.

i am not upset either. DOn;t let the recent events colour our enjotment of this fantastic website. WOrds can be deceiving at times. but 'long road show the horse' we would soon know who can hold a friendly discussion and who cannopt. so don't worry.

I read with intesrest that we share most of the sentiments. The thing is: it is ok for us to pay someone to render a service, that is accompanying.

Now for the better musicians, I think it is their God given right to charge as much as the market could bear but should not seek more reward by pretending that they can provide more than accompanying.

If they, the properly trained musicians, want to charge us money to teach us stuff, we sure should give them a lot of respect apart from money. 君不聞「有事弟子服其勞，有酒食, 先生饌」乎？

However, one thinks that the teacher's obligation is 「一視同仁, 有教無類」矣。To encourage diferential treatment by accepting "red packet" is unconcionable. But, not all trained musicians stands on the same high moral ground as 孔夫子

吾等乎復何言哉？

:)
my limitation in Chinese literature does not allow me to return a comment.....:)

The practice of paying for singing started from Hong Kong and is now the general practice all over the world. I can not say it is bad since that is not the issue.

Most clubs without a wealthy sponsor will need money to maintain the club anyway. whether it is from dues, contributions, or whatever.
I think the issue is how much those fees are and how are they used. I do know some clubs who charge very little like a dollar for a song and use some of those income for the club's rent. Others charges a lot and use most of the income to pay the musicians(in which cases, the musicians are full time employee of the club). As long as there is a market for them, I see no problem for it either.

多謝各路英雄指教　在粵曲和電腦我都是新丁但我會努力　有問題再向大家請教　再次多謝各位朋友

想結交唱子喉朋友

Hi,

Are u the female singer, Here i am but i just start to learn singing. Hope u can give me some opinion how to sing well as a Female.

我唱歌是新丁　電腦也是　好幸運比我盲中中來到這裡得到你覆我　很高興也很抱歉　我不懂英文　要搵人翻譯　下次給我中文　謝謝　

立哥:

曲词集如果不可以以现在的方式重开的话,可不可将网站上所具有的曲谱目录登出,当有需要的朋友索要曲谱时,以E_MAIL的形式发出?
同时列出一份网站所欠之曲词清单,请各网友帮忙寻找!

不公开刊登曲词,不会涉及什么版权了吧?这样换汤不换药的方法,可不可行?

^0^
立哥,你比我地一个答复吧!

對於「曲詞集」重新開放的問題，我和阿蓝仍在觀點及意見上有很大的分歧，所以暫時未能重開，希望曲友能諒解及忍耐。
至於妳所提及的方法，我們亦曾經商量及考慮過，多謝妳的意見。若果我们有了决定，當儘快公佈。

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小弟見某曲紙於工尺譜旁有以下符號:

1. 圓圈內有交��,
2. 等邊三角型(尖頂向上)

不知何解, 望有前輩或阿哥阿姐賜教!!

圓圈內有交叉係鑼鼓符號﹐一般代表“撐”。
等邊三角型(尖頂向上)係音樂符號﹐代表“頓”(短)音。

圓圈內有交��, 表 示 旁 邊 的音 符 包 鑼 鼓 。

立哥:

我不知道,曲词集是否将会夭折,死于摇篮,或者只能在暗地时里传阅,我想如果是这样的话,我不知道,也不清楚,粤曲的前途在什么地方?
我说得太夸张了,是不是?请不要介意!

我的年龄与阅历都相对比较少,请不要见怪!
COLLEEN

立哥:
我自小喜欢听粤曲,但唱曲就只有半年的时间,是个绝对的牛奶咀,从你的网站中我获益良多,学曲需要热情,执着与坚持,我渴望曲词集可以重开,如果没有你的网站,你的曲词集,在这半年里,我会举步为艰!
网上有这这么多的XX曲谱网,为什么就没粤曲词集的一点生存空间?
大家都说应该让粤曲这个美丽的文化,繁衍生息,为什么又要将她绑手绑脚?

Ah Lap:
We are a group of Cantonese Song lovers. We pray and hope your wordsheet page would re-open soon!

曲詞集對我這粵曲新丁來說是個絕好的老師，可以看譜、聽各老倌的範唱，關閉它實在太可惜了，衷心希望它可以重開。

小生有「嘆五更」曲詞數首，沒有工尺，只有板，不知合不合用？

屯門車王兄﹕
亞朱非常有興趣﹐請問可否 email 給我呢？

我沒有掃描器，不能e給你，但是我可以將全首曲詞打上來，你0岩唔0岩呢？

屯門車王兄﹐
好極了！萬二分感激！

立兄 唔好意思 借板一用


懷人對月倚南樓，觸起離情淚怎收，自記與郎分別後，好似銀河相隔女牽牛，日盼郎歸情萬縷，相思苦處幾時休，好花自古香唔久，只怕青春難為使君留，他鄉莫戀殘花柳，但逢郎便買轉歸舟，相如往事問郎你知否？好極文君尚嘆白頭

初更才過月光輝，怕聽林間杜鵑啼，聲聲泣血榴花底，胡不歸兮胡不歸，點得魂歸郎府第，換轉郎心早日到黎，免令兩家音訊滯，好似伯勞飛燕各東西，柳絲難把心猿繫，落花無主葬春泥

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五更明月過長東，倚遍欄杆十二重，衣薄難禁花露重，玉樓人怯五更風，點得化成一對雙飛鳳，會向瑤臺月下逢，無端驚破鴛鴦夢，海幢鐘接海珠中，睡起懶梳愁萬種，又見一輪紅日上簾籠

屯門車王兄﹕

已經抄下了！非常感激......但....叮板 ??? 亞朱比較貪心哩^^

最近我將呂紅前輩唱的【何惠群嘆五更】全新整理過，并跟從呂紅前輩的唱法點上了叮板，稍作改動，在嘆完二更後，再起過短序回一回氣，再嘆三更。嘆完三更尾段轉乙反最後一句："薄命一條"拉腔過長序，另外在乙反唱段里"薄情一去"這句唱拋舟腔，不但豐富了整支曲，而且更合情理。結尾最後一句，呂紅前輩唱來不大似收的，現在改成拉到板收，就更加收得清楚明確了。說實在的呂紅前輩唱這首曲，太好了！也祗有廣州的陳麗英可以比擬矣。

我有一隻 係潤心師娘唱的. 有一知音人謂此乃最佳版本, 因其聲夠『拆」。

潤心師娘所唱【何惠群嘆五更】在港台戲曲天地02年10月24日曾經播過。可惜當時因事忙錯過收聽及下載。

潤心師娘唱 is a part of an album containing other artists singing Lam Yum and Lung Chow (Dragon Boat). The album is published by Hong Kong Commercial Radio in 1980 or 1979 to raise money for a certain charitable cause.

希望有朋友能告訴我　謝謝

I also want to know badly. Please advise if anybody is aware of the method. Many thanks.

用視窗造字造出丁﹐板空板﹐空丁﹐及其他符號﹐ 打字時用內碼輸法入叫出。

在視窗造字後, 到編輯, 選輸入法連結, 可以自己設定該字的輸入碼, 不一定要用內碼輸入法

Billy哥哥和孤舟哥哥，對不起，完全沒有idea你們的方法，因為我只懂手寫和廣東輸入法，可以有別的方法嗎？

丫頭

視窗造字英文是eudcedit.exe. You can find it in windows/system32. Highlight it to setup a short cut or just double click to open and start having fun. 唔難﹐但要用時間水磨。慢慢玩就會揾倒竅門啦﹗

Many thanks indeed. I have found the program. Will follow the guide to try and create the "ding baan". Hope to become successful soon. Will let you know. Thanks again, most grateful!

丫頭

You are welcome. A lot of things can be done using this program. I type all my lyric sheets using this method. go to my website and check out my work.

為什麼關閉曲詞集,太可惜!

我是新加入.

請用內碼有叮板

我刚刚知道有这个网。可惜曲词集已经关了。对我们学粤曲的朋友是有很大的帮助。想知道几时再开。

Alap,

Do u have a song "Bei Pa Fa Ha qei Sun Chee" and the other is "Jum King Tong" who is the singer, what is it story?

thanks

不清楚第一首是甚麼歌，希望其他網友可幫忙一下。至於第二首，是否斬經堂？

枇杷花下結新知

Anam,

Thanks Flora, she get the answer, then can u telll me the story about these two songs and the singers.

Alap,

As i understand u had listen the Lam Ka Shing talk show when i read ur opera diary. Can u tell me when was the programme. I hope to listen to it.

Anyway, I fell so sorry for the tempory stop of word sheet. Because it is very conenience to fresh learners . What does it mean of code?

有關林家聲的講座，本人不清楚，留待阿立回覆。
多謝支持，密碼只是方便阿立和我工作，並無其他意思。

為什麼結束歌詞集,很失望.

歌詞集現暫時關閉，原因請參閱第575篇留言。

白兔會由何非凡、崔妙芝主唱或是任劍輝、吳君麗主唱的？

希望您能幫我解答，謝謝！

何非凡

Cathy :

我今天上网才看到你的E_MAIL,
"回覆:無題 留言者 : Cathy 2004/04/07(星期三) 23:56:33
很高興你有"願為蝴蝶繞孤墳"的曲詞, 可否email 比我?
或者fax 也可以, 請email聯絡.

Thanks a lot! "

我周一时E_MAIL给你,OK?
但我不知你的E_MAIL 地址,可否告知?

谢谢
^0^
COLLEEN

like in a litle place at the edge of the world. We have a small group of people trying to learn and sing Cantonese Opear. We need to do the accompanying ourselves.

Advantage? It is cheap. We don't have tpo pay and we can sing as much as we like. Hahahaha

We would like to have some discussion on that.

The point is that if you say you are still LEARNING opera you sure you know how to accompany yourself , both from and technical and musical aspects.

But then I never understand why money is involved in most clubs.

You got to be kidding me. Money is the thing that makes the world go round. Just ask around: how much does the clubs in Hong Kong charge for just one song?

I know
But if no one go there and sing then would be no need for musicians either.

Why you guys have to pay so much just to get a bit of relief....I could never understand that

Hi, Sam

Please don't get me wrong, but I am curious to where are you living now. I live in a foreign country and believe me good musicians are very hard to come by. Less than 15 years ago, we did not have to pay any money to sing songs at the music clubs here. (That's when I started) All we had to pay was monthly club dues. Then one very musician moved to Hawaii and started charging for his time to play with us. Was it fair? Maybe, maybe not but he had no other way of making a living and he was and still is a very accomplished musician. There were 2 more like him that was playing for free and one was even a professional percussionist from China. There lies a problem for most clubs.. these (good) musicians were not obligated to show up on club nights. Believe me, it was not possible to sing when the other (so called) musicians did not know what they were doing. (Don't laugh, it's true) Especially if you are a beginner. You are not able to "lead" them.
Also, at that time because money was not involved a lot of favortism showed up. A singer could sing four songs while the rest of us, pacifier mouths, just sat and was lucky to get in a 10 min. song.

I'll continue more next time.. but Sam keep this in mind, if you want to get a bit of relief through singing, what does the musicians get out of it?

p.s. I started to learn how to play the 電元 then I started to play the saxophone and dabble with the percussions. Would I want to get paid for playing.. not at this time or anytime in the near future because I AM NOT GOOD. It's not easy playing an instrument.

Dear rhonda.
I agree with some of the things you say. I am a musician. And with my name already shown many people here already know who i am. I am from Australia. And most of my friends and enemies(haha) also know my point of view.

If someone started a club and make it clear that they are there to make money....fine, pay and sing there.

But i know many clubs started by a group of people who get together and have fun. There and then I see no reason why the singers have to pay. They pay for the music and the food etc. I am sure this is true most places. They told me that the musicians spent time to accompany the singers. I woudl then put to you...the singers also spend time to sing for the musicians. They are there to have fun with each other...not for the other. I am a musician....sounds like I am ruining my future. hehe

rhonda

now that you have 'dabbled' with instruments you must realised that majority of the 'musicians' (referring to foreign places) are not good. they are there to make up the numbers. Like singers they like to perform as soon as they can hold an instrument. They get treated as a 'si fu ' already.......just have fun together. all get fun out of singing and playing instruemts, all are amateurs, all are there to pass the boredom. It is the money that ruin most clubs. I can promise you that 100% of these clubs have so many little circles that make the middle east ooking like child play. Let's share the msuic, share the lyrics, share the money, share the fun..............yeepee

and rhonda

do not argue with me. I will cry!!!

:)

only kidding

Sam,
Sweetie, I am not going to argue with you. What you say is fine and I can totally agree with you. But can you honestly say that without "good" musicians, a singer (amateur) can improve on their hobby?
I love the sharing the music, lyrics and socializing, but I want to improve too. I would not have taken up any musical instrument and playing with the "band" if my music teacher was not good. I spent 7 years learning to play... only in the last year was I able to accompany some "bong wong" without the 工尺譜。 The reason was because I began playing with the "good" musicians and they were willing to teach me and bear with me. LOL.
It was nice discussing this, more the next time.
...future topic? The middle way.

So, like I said, for us who love to sing, we can also learn accompaying as well. It is especially true when you have to wait for your turn. Trying to follow the accomplished "musicians" would not only kill the boredom but one might also pick up something useful.

If oe does not wanrt to pay, there is always Karaoke

kwan
Trying to follow the accomplished "musicians" would not only kill the boredom...true

one might also pick up something useful....false. You would never pick up anything really useful..just gettingyourself in to bad habits that you would NEVER learn anything properly.

rhonda. you sound very genuine and hard working. Arguing with me only get us into having more fun. I am quite ok as a person i think. um.......
do not argue with me. I will cry!!!.........this is only tongue in cheek reflecting on the recent storm on this website.

anyway.
without "good" musicians, a singer (amateur) can improve on their hobby?...definitely (million times) and I promise.

I spent 7 years learning to play... only in the last year was I able to accompany some "bong wong" without the 工尺譜。........Have you ever seen a child learning piano for 7 years and only strating to play by themselves?? Adult is no difference. I would say (without disrespect to anyone) that you are typical of the singers who want to play instruments. You did not start (for whatever reason) with the basics. Either the scale (five lines) the simple 1234567 or 工尺譜. You 'learn' by playing with people and the songs without understanding of what you are playing. I would only say that if you keep learning the way you are you woudl not go any further for another 7 years.
learn what music means.
learn what keys means
know exactly what you are singing or playing....
once you learn the basics and then play with your heart (100% based on your learnt basics) you are there!!

a friend of mine wanted to learn the 電元. I said i woudl start with the basics, teaching him the 1234567. He said he did not have time for that. Started to play the 'little songs' by himself. Now 3 years down the road he can play a few little songs without any variation(the most unique aspect of chinese opera music) and 1 out of 20 notes on bong wong. What a waste of time.

CHange your way of learning.
gee...getting long winded now.
learn it by memory you learn a song every 2 months and you know 6 songs in 1 year, 12 in two.
learn it properly you will find that you gain knowledge very slowly. you can play 2 songs after 12 months and all songs in 2 yerars. The choice is yours.

kwan and others
我的英文不佳, 所以不能用英文表達,但你們喜歡粵曲,一定對中文有認識, 我記得60/70年代在香港學/唱粵曲是不用付錢的,唱完消夜都是大家夾的,原因是當時有部份音樂師傅(包括擊樂)來自越南 中國
新加坡等地, 他們因為政治或其他原因移居本港,他們來港後,多不是從事曲兿方面的工作,因此在工餘之時,聚集一些志同道合的人士一同玩音樂,但當時極之缺乏唱口,因此只要你唱得一兩��, 他們都很高興和你拍和,所以當時不論唱或學習粵曲多是不需付錢的,即使要付,只是付�曭o火蠟等瑣碎支出,即如現時移居外國的師傅一般, 在當地言語不通,人生路不熟,所以只有結交華人社區.............

Sorry my computer cann't type Chinese charater, please don't mind my English mistake.
a lot of Web-fans are from different place in this world, like me, I am living in U.S.A. I love this Web, we can share the idea about Chinese Opera and also we can know the different situation about the Chinese operate among the world. Anyway. back to your subject. the fee about singing. I think most place need to pay, now is getting more people like to sing Chinese opera for habbit, (not for living) and very hard to get a good musician, just like demand and supply, when demand is greater than supply, the people need to pay for singing. in other hand, the people want to pay music, they ask the singer to sing without pay. :-)
in my place, better music pay more money, etc.
the most expense is $50-$60 USD for one song about 25 minutes for 2 people. the cheaper is about 16.00USD, everage is expensive than Hong kong, beside the fee, some people have to buy gift and luck money (red poket) to music master, If you want to have a show, wa!!! very expense and suffer from pressure, the pressure could be from the master and the friends around, So, that is very hard to understand and unaccepable, right. I think it happen every where ..... Ha Ha

Hi, everyone,

Discussion is discussion is. No need to get upet when people disagrees with you.

I am quite sure that Cantonese Opera is a serious subject (heck, people get PhDs by resaerch the it) and we all should have due respect to those who spend years in learning the trade by going to Schol of Performing Arts, etc.

However, myself being an old guy, used to listen to Cantonese Opera since I was a child. So I earn by imitation: in terms of styles amd melody. I also try to play the tunes. I found it rather easy to pick up some of the tunes since I played in a rock and roll band and a quartet ensemble in my youthful days.

I guess there would be little to none facilities one can go to learn such stuffs, not adult education oriented, not one stating from scratch. SO what do we do?

I have no comment whether money should be involved in accompanying. But I guess if one needs high calibre muscian, paying is almost a must.

I am very agree with Kwan. We pay for Singing or acting both are fine. Just like we go to shopping or watching movies or go to restaurant have a tea time, right. get some good and health programme beside the routine job. good luck to all the fans and to Master Ah Lap & Billy.

一個愿打
一��愿捱

some people have to buy gift and luck money (red poket) to music master......culture!!

Discussion is discussion is. No need to get upet when people disagrees with you....hear hear!!

一個愿打
一?愿捱.........fantastic summation. Case rest.

Hi Sam,
Don't misunderstood, I am not upset, my feeling is calmful and very happy in touch of you guys, I just tell you the condition in my place. Again, gift and lucky money is tradiition and culture, but I am talking about fancy gift and big money like couple hundred US dollars or thousands. they usually give out these things to get the attention from their master. May be for me is too much, but, I refer to donate to some non-profit Associations, there a lot poor people and children in this world need our help.

已聰到，但能否錄到電腦

妳可以用自己 sound card 的錄音程式，或在「粵曲大笪地 」下載 jetaudio 軟件来錄至電腦。

我找到此歌，但聽不到的，可否教我。

立哥：又麻煩你了，請問知否沈園會這首歌，是誰唱的，還有可在那處可收聽到呢？
請覆。
謝謝！！


龍迷上

我看過一隻Karaoke蝶, 平是小神鷹, 子喉唔記得

沈園會

撰曲: 溫誌鵬

原唱: 梁樹根, 劉玉琴
再版: 小神鷹, 關群英

請問何處有阮兆輝的打金枝錄到電腦

請到「電台粵曲欣賞」2004-01-29 日收聽。

過去数天因處理特別事件而未能回覆各曲友的留言，十分抱歉，如仍想我們答的，煩請再留言告知，亦順在此多謝各曲友對「阿立粵曲天地」的爱護及支持！

I love this site...
There are very few sites on the web, where lovers of Cantonese opera can meet each other, gather information or exchange ideas and techniques. Webmaster (ahlap) has done a wonderful job.
I live in the USA and have been singing this art form for over 12 years. My humble opinion is that the artist or composers of these songs are very happy that fans want to sing there songs because that means their songs are popular. Yes, there is money involved especially for those who gives the tape to someone who transcribe it to "musical notes" but with technology nowadays (copy machine, faxes, and the internet) there is not much anyone can do about the "copyright". I use to listen to songs and write down the words for myself to sing.. am I infringing on copyright? Not if I make money from it.
Ahlap and the rest of the wonderful people who make this website possible.. My best wishes to you and your endeavor to perpetuate this very traditional and wonderful artform. Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart.

correction to above letter.

Not if I don't make any money from it.
Sorry about that.

Totally agree. I think everybody who enjoys this site loves Ah-Lap, and respect him a lot for what he has done which brings us great enjoyment. Ah-Lp, please do not feel upset about the ill behaviour of certain people. You have the greatest support from us. Billy, you too. We respect your morality in giving your advice to us totally free. You both are great!

大家好!

我有愿为願為蝴蝶繞孤墳的简谱,是否需要?但我不懂怎样E_MAIL给立哥你!

谢谢

COLLEEN

很高興你有"願為蝴蝶繞孤墳"的曲詞, 可否email 比我?
或者fax 也可以, 請email聯絡.

Thanks a lot!

這個網站真的很厲害,這麼多人觀賞,而且資料也很多,非常佩服立兄!

立兄,

我不知這位朋友用意何在, 但我認為與粵曲無關的議題不應在留言版討論!!

Dear A-Lap:

Your hard work we all appreciated. Please don't give up this website.

Please donn't let other opinion influrence your goal.

I'm sure that many people around the world appreciate your work and thanks for the word-page you set up for us.

Cheer up !!

We are waiting you re-open the word page soon.

Dear Brother Lap

Finally, I understand what is going on (after reading the english text) I felt that song sheets should be free to "flow" around the cantonese opera fans. No doubt that HK and China fans can obtain these song sheets quite easily, I believe people like myself and amongst others will find it difficult to obtain what we want. I feel that your web page is of great help to us.
Please keep up with the good work and we really appreciate your kind and hard work

Rgds
Joey

為免留言版失控，從這篇留言開始，所有涉及人身攻擊的留言或纠缠於與粤曲無關的話题將被删除。
身為網主，願承担所有對閣下因曲友留言而引致不安的一切責任，特此向大家致以萬二分的歉意！
網主:阿立,阿蓝

I think Ah Lap is doing the right thing to stop the lyrics page & the 粵曲大笪地 for the time being. He is also right to stop the 'quarrel' among web-fans at this moment. As I understand it is infringement if the lyrics are distributed freely, as the case now it is, and it is also unlawful to perform publicly without a licence or authorisation from the onwer. As I understand, the government authorities might not initiate action on that but let the owner to make their claims.

I am not a lawyer and this is only my opinion. Anyone interested amy go the website at http://www.justice.gov.hk/cHome.htm

Ah Lap, as the web owner, should make clarification so as to protect himself and his web-fans as well.

P.S.

I suggest Ah Lap should not only deletion 'rubbish' from now on but also the old ones so as to make this place clean.

如果你們認為立兄關閉曲詞集, 立兄受傷害, 是因為我曾在這�媯o表個人見解

如果你們真的認為我有這麼大的影響力

真好, 我從來未試過有咁大影響力.

不過, 我可以告訴你們, 有份同我嘈的人都有份傷害立兄, 有份促成關閉曲詞集這件事.

因為獨力難支大廈, 眾志方可成城.

我一向喜歡玩, 有得玩, 打死都唔走, 難得咁多人一齊陪我, 反正玩死嘅係人地地方, 唔關我地呢班玩嘅人事, 大家大可以玩完, 拍下屁股, 仲可以懶正義話, 最衰係阿邊個囉.

玩死人地d野, 我一d都唔會心涼, 不過, 既然咁多人都一口咬定我係咁, 我唯有落力拍演, 滿足各位需要.

話又講番轉頭, 雖然我咁落力去成全各位意願, 我仲有些少良心, 會可憐下果個收拾殘局的人, 會檢討和承認下自己有乜野唔0岩.

唔知果d叫我問下自己做過乜野事之前, 有無撫心自問呢? 或者人地唔使撫心自問, 因為佢地一定無錯, 有錯一定係人地, 所有責任人地負責晒, 與佢地有何干係?

真好, 大家又一次成功地體驗群眾的力量.

Do you have some kind of psychological disorder?

Flora, SHUT THE F**K UP already. 這裡係阿立o既粵曲天地﹐ 唔係你街市婆叫罵D地方﹐要撒野自己開欄。請自重, 請尊重阿立, 請尊重其他網友。

話人有病果d咪有病囉.

你地都唔尊重人, 我使乜尊重你地呀?

我已經話左, 想同我吵架, 另找地方囉, 你仲係度同我嘈, 係你唔自重, 唔尊重阿立, 唔尊重其他網友咋.

Enuff is Enuff,

要講野就唔好藏頭露尾, 要講就講清楚, 唔好打埋d星星出來, 我d文化水平唔明粗口和星星月亮太陽士多啤梨橙之類的東西, 同人講野講到對方唔明, 你都好有問題.

你又知我係街市婆? 你成日係街市度出沒呀? 見過我係街市度咩? 你叫人自重, 你咪又係唔識自重.

你估你地鬧我就驚呀? 我依家就係為拗交而拗交, 你地話我乜我一定做到加零一, 請放心.


立兄:

我唔係無誠意平息件事, 不過, 既然大家咁高興, 唔想停, 我唯有捨命陪君子. 騷擾寶地, 多有得罪, 但詢眾要求, 欲罷不能.

爛口 Enuff,

Sorry! Sorry! 唔好意思, 誤會左. Bitch 原來係你嘅落款/簽名. 你唔使示範喇, 不如表演啦.

WoW. Catfight. 這麼熱鬧, where is my pop corn? ............................(一笑)

STOP Please. 大家如果真的尊重阿立及這網頁. 那麼 ----
STOP please.

大夫,

哈哈, 有人要攪事, 我不過捨命陪君子.

既然咁多人要玩, 我咪成全佢地囉, 我詢眾要求陪玩咋.

你段野咁幽默我點會睇唔到, 有人多此一舉轉載多一次分明係想撩事. 不過, 我畀面你, 大夫, 姑且算數, 再攪小動作, 我一定陪佢玩下.

當初在此地自誇, 說自己對粵曲基本結構理論深有認識, 可以開班教人的話, 只是一時氣憤之言, 我坐井觀天, 不知天下之大, 自誇自大, 可能誤導了一些朋友, 想看看我寫的筆記, 不是我吝嗇, 不願把筆記公開, 實情是, 我沒有接受過粵曲粵劇方面的正統教育, 所認識的東西, 全都是自己看書學回來的, 當中可能錯陋甚多, 也怕有高明人仕拿來指指點點, 所以暫時未敢把筆記放到網上讓大家看. 昨天幸運地有十位網友光臨寒舍, 聽我胡言亂道一番, 也有買下我一些筆記回去閱讀, 我想等我這個粵曲理論班完結的時候再問問那些看過我的筆記的網友, 看看他們覺得我這些筆記對大家是否有用,再決定是否把筆記放到網上. 如果他們認為我這些筆記是沒有用的, 我也不想在些佔用空間, 浪費網友的時間去閱讀. 所以一切還是留待日後再說吧

Billy 兄:
有的事是不需要太客氣. 我見過很多粵曲粵劇方面接受過正統教育畢業的行內演員, 音樂家等. 他們也不大懂這方面的知識. 只有撰曲者才有認識. 這是很可惜的.

很高興你有心開班, 希望你能對學生考試, 我是好奇--會有多少個能學成功,畢業, 堅持到底.

正如你所說,粵曲不一定有一本聖經, 有很多方面是還需要研究討論. 中國早廿多年前曾在這方面作過努力.但卻未能繼續, 以至今天會有行內人說:[ 花月影不是粵劇什麼是粵劇!]的話.

對未能跟Billy 學習者,也不用灰心, 自己看書是可以學到的, Billy 是如此學的. 我也是如此學的. 不過有人教確實比較容易. 看筆記, summary,等也比看書容易.

大夫,

撰曲都唔一定識呀, 哈哈!

Flora: you said 撰曲都唔一定識呀, 哈哈!
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我覺得這話不對. 我所認識及聽朋友所說, 真正的撰曲家都懂結構的,雖然有的不大深究,也有很多不曉音樂理論.
業餘的撰曲家或自封自叫的撰曲家,那是另一回事. 這些人中是有一批不懂結構,寫了一些曲詞亦不外文字遊戲的人.

[第.583篇留言] 主題：責任問題?????? 留言者 : 大夫 2004/04/07(星期三) 11:30:43
WoW. Catfight. 這麼熱鬧, where is my pop corn? ............................(一笑)

STOP Please. 大家如果真的尊重阿立及這網頁. 那麼 ----
STOP please.

大夫,

首先我係話"撰曲", 無話"撰曲家".

其他的無謂講, 曲聖王心帆從來不唱, 唐滌生唔識音樂, 所以我先會話"撰曲都唔一定識".

You're all weirdos!

立兄,

多謝你的回覆.

我不在 email 上講, 並不是保密與否的問題, 講得你0聽, 就信得你過. 只是, 因為我的電腦懷疑中了木馬, 所以我才將內容打在subject上, 免你開啟後有機會中招, 請諒.

何況, 就算我部腦沒懷疑中木馬, email 上也是有理說不清的.

想跟你談, 是因為想告訴你為什麼我會多心問蘭陵王曲詞的事, 因為這其中有些複雜, 公開說了出來, 怕會惹起另一些是非, 所以我一直都語焉不詳, 後來看到是朱姐贈曲, 我才鬆了一口氣.

而且, 我還想徵詢你的意見, 看你會否同意我代你聯絡蘭陵王作者, 嘗試取得他的允許和手稿, 讓你刊載部份(當然是朱姐贈曲那一部份, 否則最好得到朱姐首肯), 以表名正言順.

其實, 你不想談也是大家意料中事. 但很多網友認為我有必為向你交代一下我的立場和情況, 免你誤會, 畢竟這是你的地方.



各位曾規勸我的網友,

我已盡了力.

也許你們會覺得我未盡全力去平息事件, 但我不會忍受不相干的人的謾罵, 肇事者的置身事外和扮好人.

明知係唔0岩, 不過, 因為

1. 推廣
2. 有人需要
3. 無收受利益
4. 人人都咁做
5. 最主要都係因為我喜歡

所以人地講任何唔多0岩聽的野, 就要鬧番轉頭, 甚至食砒霜毒老虎.

邊個要鬧, 邊個要嘈, 有本事就直接搵我, 咪懶正義咁借人過橋.

Where I live, a tiny corner on this earth, also has a few Chinese opera clubs. Instead of having fun, learning and improving on their singing the people also find all the excuses they can to argue, to bitch against and hating each other.
Funny that!!!

welcome to the real world.

Shameful side of our culture!!!..the real world?

If i were AH-lap I would feel like 山伯 when 臨終.
Blood pouring from my mouth. Heart broken.
But I would not turn into a butterfly..........into a bat and haunt you all.
No..I would commit harikari........nugh! I am a CHinese.
I would just lean back and laugh and 'see how you die'...hahaha

sam

我唔覺得表達意見有乜咁 shameful, 更 shameful 的事我都聽過/見過, 想聽嗎?

不過, 我唔會係度公開, 免得又影響人.

你咁好想像, 最適合撰曲, 感受一下撰曲的無力感.

至於, 山伯臨終, 又是另一個侵權的傳說, 不過我唔講囉, 因為你地接受唔到事實.

Dear Sam,

I tend to keep quiet although I keep watching what is going on. Because I am feeling frustrated at people's personalizing the matter, especially the attacks with very cruel addresses towards fellow web-friends. I like your "see how you die". I also pity brother Ah lap because this web gives me the impression that he is a very kind man and has enthusiasm in Cantonese opera. I just hope all web friends can keep calm and do not use anymore cruel addresses to harm others. Please let the matter die down and Brothers Billy and Ah Lap will feel better. Do not talk about copyright anymore. At the end of the day none of us is legally-talented enough to explain anything about intellectual property.

Good idea. Why do we just stop giving this kind of bad (to everyone) stuff a miss and give it no coverage. Shhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!1

丫頭,

Things are not what you think. I do not intend to hurt anybody. In the very beginning, I only want to remind people to cease their impoliteness.

Maybe some people will like to see other's death. I do not want anyone get hurt. Things, incliuded myself, now are uncontrolled. Obviously, someone but not the impolite people, got hurt now.

I will only apologize to Ah Lap because he is innocent.

關閉「曲詞集」所引起的迴響，實令我們始料不及，在此向各位曲友表示衷心的感謝。
老實說，「曲詞集」是由我親手創立，現在卻由我親手將她催毁，我的心情，是比任何人都來得難過。
「曲詞集」的去留問題，我和阿藍曾有多次激烈的爭論，但始終未能達成共識，所以才惟有將「曲詞集」暫時關閉，至於重新開放與否，或以何種方式開放，我和阿藍答應大家，一定會於一至兩星期内公佈，給大家一個交代。
至於有曲友曾表示，會以金錢來表示支持，我們是十分感動的，但在此我們可以明確的告訴大家，金錢無論如何也不是今次的問題所在，所以切勿寄錢予我。
有很多曲友留言或 email 要求密碼，但十分抱歉，若果我們將密碼分發給大家，那麼關閉「曲詞集」便毫無意義了。
天下無不散之筵席，有時只有隨緣，希望大家以平常心對待今次的事件。

請問如何用jetaudio錄電台粵曲呢?

select'recording'
select 'stereo mix' on the recording window
select 'start' when you want to start recording

Sam,
Thanks for help, I will try it. If any problems encountered, could you help again?

no problem. jojo

我們正在商討有關「曲詞集」前途的問題，在這段期間內，「曲詞集」將會暫時關閉，敬請原諒。
曲友如有什麼意見，亦歡迎在留言板發表。

錄東坡詞贈網主

《定風波》　　蘇軾

莫聽穿林打葉聲，何妨吟嘯且徐行？竹杖芒鞵輕勝馬，誰怕？一簑煙雨任平生。
料峭春風吹酒醒，微冷。山頭斜照卻相迎。回首向來蕭瑟處，歸去，也無風雨也無晴。

立兄, 藍君:

我不會扮好人, 我只是認為你們關閉曲詞集是很愚蠢的行為, 因為這只是證明到有人挑撥成功, 而我則因為心直口快地答了一個什麼是非法網站的問題, 而被利用.

為免再被人借題發揮, 我必須說明我對曲詞集的態度是中立, 我說的版權問題是我個人的認知和見解.

Flora:

We could tell which one making waives.


A-Lap:

I would back you up 100%.

Please don't give up.

GO ! Go ! go!

Mimi,

We are free to think anything and free to express our own opinion. Nevertheless, what we think may not represent all. There are different opinions in the world.

我很高興這麼多人支持立兄, 言詞上和精神上的支持雖是好, 卻不比實際支持見成效.

雖我無法100%支持, 因為我不能越俎代疱地承擔所有版稅的支出, 道德上和法律上的責任, 雖然我不用曲詞集, 但我也有使用留言板, 只要立兄能提出證明有支付版稅, 只要立兄肯接受(因為我唔會自大到以為自己肯畀, 人地就一定肯收, 我肯付出, 我都會尊重對方是否肯接受), 我願意付出微薄的金錢 - 版稅中的一小部份, 作為支持尊重版權的實際行動, 雖然杯水車薪, 但希望集亦成裘.

力我就唔敢出喇, 因為真係承擔唔起. 不過, 我中立, 都肯出番一份微薄的金錢, 各位支持者一定願意比我付出更多實際行動.

I am very sad!

I will suport you by sending you all my treasure.

Kwan:

Your make me smile from bottom of my heart.

You so lovely, I will send my support too.

(But notl all my treasure, I need some for myself too).

I'm start first.
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A-Lap:

Your support will come this week. Look for my mail.

Mimi

I been reading this Website for a year, this is my first time to joint the net meeting. I haven't study any law. but I think if this website is not making any commercial profit or purpose. that is not convicted any law.
in the otherword, some people use that for any kind of show to make profit or they make some change to the original and named as their own work, that is totaly wrong, eventhough there is no actual law to support. they should shame about it.
Anyway, there are a lot of people want to learn the Contonese opera, how can we know all the Singers or the wirters? If you know all of them, you are very luck, you must lliving in Hong Kong, but, I was wondering some artists are living in China or some of them already passaway, I really don't want to lose that.
We just calm down, don't say something too extremily. We try the best to support the Contese Opera, so this art can keep on from generation and generation.
For example like Master Ah lap & ah Lam

In addition to the placement of lyrics on the web, I think there is similar problem with the songs in 粵曲大笪地. I suppose Ah Lap is seeking advice on the lyrics and it would better include the latter as well.

阿立:
唉...... 請你小心考慮.
有些事大家心知肚明,並不需什麼聰明人來指正. 我對你對粵曲的熱心及向各同好的支持,是很感動和無限的支持你. 不過這對你是沒有幫助的.
有些事說開了,便會變得很複雜. 有錢也不一定能解決. 不論外人怎樣說支持,最終的負責者還是你. 成功,人多的網頁,更容易樹大招風.

阿立兄，
今天進入曲詞集發現要輸入登入密碼，密碼是???請告知，多謝。

I'd like to know the password as well. Could you email it to me please, 立兄?

Thank you!

Mr. Lap,

May I have the password, too?

Thanks!

To：各位
我终于想到了一个可以解决各位想要这个简谱制作软件的方法了！其实说出来也是老办法一个，只是我一直都没有想到而已，给各位带来了许多麻烦，真的是很抱歉~
如果各位网友想下载简谱制作软件，请登陆kandi_2008@126.com，密码：123456，进入发件箱即可。

Hello Candy,
How to enter to kanndi_2008@126.com?
if possible, please e-mail your copy to my email, I am very appreciated, thanks.

Thanks Candy! 軟件太大﹐所以你給我的 email 我收不到。我己 download 了你的軟件﹐可惜﹐我的 PC 是英文系統﹐看不到這軟件的中文字﹐唉~

Here's the instruction:
go to www.126.com
put in the ID/PWD, go to the Sent box, click the download link next to that .rar file. Note: there's a bug in some OS version, if you click "Save" and it comes back right away, you'll then need to click "Open" once then click "Save" to download the file, which is ~4.7 M

Candy:

我發覺我另一個不是Yahoo的信箱，收郵件也出現一些問題，暫時不用麻煩你電郵給我了。讓我試試你這個方法再算吧。不過，無論結果如何，都多謝你。

I found the neteasy 126 web page,
I input Kanndi_2008@126.com, pass word 123456,
but was ejected. did I got the wrong Web site? wrong PassWord? wrong user name?
I am very sorry, please repeat and tell me how?
thank for a million. :-)

cann't find the WWW.126.com
please tell me more about that
thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kanny:

應該是kandi
我己開啟,但下載後找不到檔案

kanny,
你的用户名打错佐，应该系http://www.126.com，而唔系WWW.126.com。
而用户名应该系kandi_2008，而唔系kanndi_2008，请更正后重试！


Ling，
你下载佐软件但打唔开的原因可能有两个：
1、你下载的时候出错，导致文件已经受到破坏。
2、你的电脑没有安装rar的解压驱程，致使你无法打开压缩包，请先下载相关驱程。

Candy,
雖然你多次提供下載方法,我仍未能成功,可能
是我的技術差,或是我台電腦未達水準,但我謹在此向你道謝。

亞珠，
你未能下载的原因我猜应该系因为你没有找到“下载”的途径，对吧？
用126. com有一个秘诀，请在按登陆前选择“简约风格”，而不要用“随心DIY”，这样进去以后就可以下载到你要的文件。
其实我本来想将软件上传到网站，方便大家下载，点知甘乔网站最近做紧调整，所以搞到大家甘麻烦，真系过意唔去，好心做坏事添~
麻烦你再试多次啦，如果都系唔得，甘等个网通返我再上传比大家下载啦！

Ah Ling & Candy, thank you very much for your information. I found the www.126.com is from Yahoo, before I sign from the regular Web search, that why cann't located.
Any way I sign in Kandi_2008 and PWD, but still cann't find the download link or .rar. file eventhough I enter to the mail site.

I think it is ok to share song sheets among friends. As long as we are not making money we can stick to our practce. I have several books of song sheets. The author(s) never even pretend to acknowledge the intellectual property of anyone. If the authors insist that the site need to pay them loyalty, we can always cease and desist

立哥,
现时进入曲词集,要输入密码的,可否告知!

多谢!

COLLEEN

立兄：

我也希望能進入曲詞集，請告知密碼。謝謝！

莫氣餒，加油呀！

Connie

立兄,请把密码发到我信箱nh13l@21cn.com

立兄；
請問進入曲詞集是否須要密碼？
還是其它原因？敬希告知！謝謝。

please let me have the pin for entering the lyric site. many thanks.

I have just returned home from trip and found that there was drastic change in this site, I do appreciate all the hard works of yours, and did enjoy visiting you site.

阿立、阿蓝，
虽然我唔系常常到留言板，亦唔知最近发生紧乜野事，而且我系呢个时候都唔知有乜可以帮忙，但系无论如何我都会好支持同埋好尊重你地的任何决定，希望你地唔好因为呢件事而唔开心，而烦恼，或者放弃你地一直以来苦心经营的成果。
加油！加油！！！^-^

請問有人可以幫忙嗎?
我很希望可以將"電台粵曲選錄"的精彩曲目存放在電腦中保留,但不知如何入手,用哪個軟件,有人可以幫忙嗎?
謝謝!

jojo，
你只要在你喜欢的曲目名称上单击右键，按“目标另存为…”，然后选择一个磁盘保存即可~

Candy, 你好！此亞朱不同彼亞珠哩^^.....只是﹐我也收不到簡譜製作軟件喎﹐不過﹐可能是軟件太大﹐電腦不能負荷吧！無論如何﹐謝謝你！

亞朱, 多謝你澄清.

網主(阿立),
我在此網頁學了很多有關粵曲的知識, 此留言版實在備受高度評價。I fully suport you!

立兄

可否告知,进入曲词集的密码

某君

Dear Brother Lap

I tried to open the lyrics column but some how I got into Yahoo. Why??
Rgds
Josephine

I would furthermore appreciate if you could let me the the lyrics for "Hook Fun" - the last scene of Leong Chok where the lady Chok Ying Toi paid her respects to Leong San Pak

是不是「哭墳」？

Yes, thank you very much. Sorry, I dont know how to write chinese. Still struggling to read chinese. Thanks alot - may I have these lyrics? Appreciate if you could reply in English so that I dont have to guess the words!
Thks

Dear Brother Lap

As mention the last time, please provide me with the lyrics for "Hook Fun". I need it quite urgently as my next project is the Butterfly Lovers and the performance is due in June. Thanks a lot.

Rgds
Josephine

I haven't got the lyrics of "Hook Fun".
I hope other web friends can give me if they have.
By the way, please confirm your wanted song is the song broadcasted in 4/4/03. refer to 電台粵曲欣賞.

Dear Brother Lap

Thanks alot for your help. I went thru the list but I found that the song was sung by Lam Fung. The one I wanted is sung by Mdm Lee Poh Ying.

Rgds
Josephine

I think you want 願為蝴蝶繞孤墳! I do have this song sheets, however, it's written by my teacher, used straightly for his students, thus I can't release it. Maybe others can help you?!

Please......... can anyone help me????? please email to me at joeycheongml@hotmail.com or pur@norwest.com.my

Many many thanks
Josephine

立哥，

麻烦您可否把jetaudio这个软件电邮给我，谢谢！

Candy,

Haven't received yet, could u pls re-send it?
Thanks a lot.

思菩、門內漢、丫頭 、jojo、Ah Yau、Sam WOng，
我已经将簡譜曲譜制作軟件寄到各位的邮箱，请注意收取。

KK、亞朱，
很抱歉，我寄出的邮件被退回，请检查你们的邮箱是否已经满了，或者告诉我另一个邮箱。

Candy, my email box had been cleaned. ^^Please send me again. Many thanks!!^^

Candy,

Thank you for your prompt action. My email box was cleaned. Please send again.

Best regards,
K.K.
3.4.2004

KK，
邮件已经寄出，请注意收取~


門內漢、亞朱，
很抱歉，经过多次反复实验，邮件仍然被退回，请清空邮箱或换一个邮箱。

Candy, sorry for disturb you....would you please try this one?!

candy,
May I have a copy, please.

HI:candy,向您问好。能否电邮有关“简普曲普制作软件”给我吗。我的电邮：hbf0149@avl.com.cn

Candy,
'简谱曲谱制作软件' please use the new mail address and re send to at your convenience.
much regard