ahlap. I do not think you should worry about any problem that you think you might have caused.

1) 會不會有曲友不能接受批評呢？
of course there are. But if they cannot take any criticisma, or even suggestions then they should not have their songs put on the net. Remember it is them who want people to listen to their songs. No one force them to give you the songs.
2) 會不會令初學者氣餒呢？
what are they thinking?????there are not many genius in the opera world, or any world for that matter.
3) 評曲者會否胡亂下評語，或別有用心呢？
yes, that is expected
4) 評曲者的水準會否低劣呢？
yes, definitely yes. No one can screen them.
5) 若我因為上述原因而要經常刪除留言，會否影响評曲者尊嚴，而失去公信力呢？Yes. But things work both ways. For the singers who put songs up and the people who give their opinion. Both shoudol be ready for, and shoudl readily accept counter criticism.
6) 曲友會不會因此而不想登曲在大笪地呢？
Does this matter? I am sure you create this for the exchange of FUN, by any c opera enthusiasts, not just to make sure you have the most hit, most number of songs etc etc web site. I cannot believe that you only want professional standard singers and critics here.

I do not know if any one support my ideas. I believe you have the basics for a good fun site for opera fans of all standards. I prefer friends who share on the same level. I rather have none than having people who think too low or too high of themselves. In the cyber world eveyone is equal.........except web site owner. he he

I could feel some unease in you lately. If so please do not worrry. A good site cannot be destroy that easily

sam 兄 : 請問你寫什麼, 在下看不大懂 ! ???

多謝 sam 兄意見，我希望大家明瞭大笪地創立的目的，我亦很高興，到現時為止，效果尚算令人滿意。

我想問點解個曲詞集既.....？ˍ？

掂解唔見咗歌詞集

I learned cantonese opera song abt four years, now wish to learn one musical instructment, guess it will be helped for my singing technique, do you have any good recommendation ? (Age 39 years old Male)

hpw much basic music knowledge so you have?
how much experience you have with musical instruements before?

Sam, thks for the reply. Actually I hv no basic knowledge & experience on musical instruement but I wish to learn one, could you pls give me recommendation on this. Are you playing some musical instrument, pls share yr experience, thks.

a good player needs to learn the proper way,
needs to practice
and most of all needs aptitude...kind of talent in music , timing, pitch, and feeling. Without this talent you can only be like most opera music player.

Another controversal point is what kind of score you need to learn. Without knowing how to read a score you cannot develop . I 100% recommend kaan po. i.e. 123 (See, i start the same war again).

Then you have to ask yourself what kind of instruemnts you want to learn, string, wind percussion etc???

So...what do you want to play?
get a simple book on 123 basics and start reading

“ Without this talent you can only be like most opera music player “

Don't you guys feel might it be a kind of humiliation against those opera musician ? Do behave !!

Agree I cannot read Kaan Po 123 properly, do you think I can learn one instrument with the support of my interest ? I wish to hear favourite comments on learning experience, like string takes few yrs to learn, or may be wind percussion takes shorter time to become a beginner player. Are you a musical player since you has provided few professional cmmts on the spirit of playing instruement, pls adv. thks.

Interest & persistence are what you need.

tim is correct. you certainly need interest. most people either drop out quickly or stay the same forever at the embryo stage. persistence means sticking with it with a lot of practice.

but practice is useless unless you are doing it the right way. playing the wrong notes withe wrong technique for a thousand years still do not make it right.

I presume yopu are really interested in learning something properly. it takes more than a few lines to sort out this learning instrument thing. Step by step , is the only way. if you think you can pick up some instrunments and then start joining in ;ike those opera musician...then i think you should stop now.

I am sure you can learn..you have interest. I am sure you can learn kaan po or kung chek....go and learn. Just hope you do it the right way. Not just take some hint from whose ever sitting next to you and think that you will be ok. Learning is easy if done properl;y believe me.

I wish to hear favourite comments on learning experience, like string takes few yrs to learn, or may be wind percussion takes shorter time to become a beginner player..............well i cannot provide these type of comment. They are only myths. Everyone is different. Some are suited to string and some are suited to wind. You pick an instruments you weant to learn and then learn. Then you will see if you are suitable. Your teacher (proper teacher) will tell you.

I wish to hear favourite comments on learning experience, like string takes few yrs to learn, or may be wind percussion takes shorter time to become a beginner player.......You only want to hear comments favourite to your ears???
You want to take the shortest time to join the band???? um............

If you want to hear comment you like then stay tune to some people on this site.

yes, i can only play music. i do not sing.

I may have left some silly comment here in the past. you will find out what i do and what trouble i got myself into on this site .

如果你沒有自己喜歡的樂器或音色, 以前初學者都以秦琴為始. 先決條件是秦琴的品位必須音準. 你必須找一個懂音準要求的人幫你選樂器. 市面上的秦琴,一百個中有八十多個是有音不準的品位.
Sam 所說的都很正確. 但aptitude and talent是可以培養的. 最重要還是初步學習,必須以正確的方法與學理為主. 這種師資要求,你只有碰運氣了.
good luck.

LonLon,

What instruments to start depends on your musical background.
You should ask yourself several questions.
1. Do I read music? (123? Gungche? Or clef?)
2. How good are my ears?
3. How accurate is my pitch? (Do I have absolute pitch?)
4. Do I have good rhythm?

Depending on the answers, you may find yourself better suited for one of the 4 basic types of musical instruments: plucked-string, percussion, bowstring, and woodwind.
Some people, depending on your background, appeal more to different instruments.
If you do not read music, and cannot tell the proper pitch, then I suggest starting with one of the two: a recorder (cheap woodwind) or a fretted string (banjo or 秦琴) instrument. These instruments, when in tune, provide fixed notes. If you play them with the correct fingering pattern, they will always produce the correct notes. Depending on which of the two you like more, then you can tell if you want woodwind or string. If you cannot handle either one, then move to percussion. If you like all of them, then try bowstring next.
You also need a good instructor, someone who can teach the basics without confusing you.
I’ll give you some hints.
1. If you do not read music, then pick up 123 if you do not have absolute pitch, or clef if you do have good pitch. There is an advantage of learning clef over 123. Most Voice Training classes are based on clef, not 123, including the classes taught in China.
2. If you are interested in Cantonese Opera, then learn Gungche. (All good Cantonese Opera singers that I know understand Gungche.)
3. If you think you have good ears, and you are comfortable with clef, then pick up bowstring (erhu or violin/cello). Remember, there are no frets. The sound produced depend more on where you place your fingers. You ears are used to provide you the immediate feedback if the note produced is in tune. If you can only read 123, and cannot differentiate between a C from a Bb, then forget about bowstring, and concentrate on fretted string instruments, such as banjo or guitar or similar instruments. (The acid test if you are qualified is if I give you a Bb, you should be able to tell me that it is a Bb, and not a B.) Most woodwind instruments are designed for the key of Bb, Eb, or C. If you do not agree, then you can forget about woodwind.
4. If you have good sense of rhythm, then pick up percussion.
5. If you can sing with feeling and knows already how to control your dynamics, then give woodwind a try. They require similar techniques.

By the way, woodwind is the only instrument that requires breathing and vocalizing similar to the way one sings. In the long run, woodwind is the instrument type that will benefit your singing development.

there you are

Hi Kent, thks for the detailed explanations of the four main types musical instruments & important hints when selecting which instrument to learn. Recently a musical master recommends me to learn "Chun Kun" or "Woodwind", he said these instruments will be easily pick up for playing. Guess you are a musical player, which instrument are you playing, may I know how long you sing cantonese opera? Appreciate if you could share some experience on singing techniques as I am interested in this hobby and so far I used to learn by repeated listening to CD or VCD, u'stand the method is not right. Rgdg the price of Chun Kun, do you know how much (HK Dollars) for a medium priced instrument, is it made in China? As I found similar mucisal instrument in Vietnam, the size & shape are mostly the same but it is only two strings, thks.

Tai Fu : thks for yr sharing, agree I need a musical master to coach me esp in beginning learning process.

Sam in reading : do you hv any additional cmmts ???

Kent / Sam : if I want to buy one piece Chun Kun, could you pls recommend a good musical shop name & address in HK and how much for buying a medium price one, thks again.

LonLon:

A plastic recorder is a beginning instrument for woodwind. It costs under US$20 here in US. It is keyed in the key of G, the same as Dung Xiao. The fingering pattern is the same as Dung Xiao and most other woodwind instruments. You just blow it, and the embousure is guided by the construction to always sound correctly. In HongKong, you can go to Tom Lee or any guitar store to get a Yamaha version.

LonLon:
Chun Kum is a plucked string instrument and comes in two forms. One that supports the hepta-tonic scale (in Chinese music), and one that supports the chromatic scale (12 semi-tones). The entry level product costs around HK$200. China produces some entry level ones that are very reasonable, and you can pick one up from Shenzhen. If you want to be sure of a relative good one, you can go to Hoi Sing (Prince Edward C) and ask for Mr. Lee, the owner. Occassionally you may be able to find one that is keyed for the chromatic scale, with added frets for the hepta-tonic scale just for the key of C and G. OR you can add them yourselfs later.

LonLon:
I am a bit unusual. I am a music freak. I play almost every instrument, except violin, trombone, english horn, double base, ..., and I play most other western and chinese instruments. I like percussion, clarinet, oboe, dizi, xiao, sax, flute, suona, pipes, erhu, gaohu, zhonghu, banhu, pipa, banjo, guitar, piano, ruan, yangqin, samyuen, cello, ...
My starting instrument was the guitar, when I was a kid in HongKong, in elementary school. My learning history was atypical. I have always been fascinated by music, and have studied music throughout my schooling. Cantonese Opera is a rather late interest that I picked up only seven years ago in 1999. But I am going after it like a scholar, just like anything I attempt in my career.
My suggestions is to adhere to the following approach:

1. learn the basic music fundamentals--fastest way is to read a book on basic music theory or take a fast non-credit course from adult school or part-time university class.
   
2. develop absolute pitch--practice singing the following notes accurately, G,A,C,D,E (for the key of C), then G,A,B,C,D,E,F# (for the key of G)
   
3. learn to play the recorder, then the chun Kum
   
4. read books on Cantonese Opera
   
5. start singing
   

Too many cooks spoil the broth.
Please read my previous comments.

There is a new book out. I saw in Saam Luen. On how to learn 123 scores. This should be a good start.

If you have just started your interest in musical instruments I think you should pick one and learn that well before attempting another one, especially if of different type. For example if you intend to play opera only then chun kum is a good cheap choice. It would not cost you mosre than singing one or two songs in HK. I would not go for cheap instruments.

LonLon:
Seems your teacher has the same idea as me. If you are really serious in learning, please go back and read carefully what Sam said. If not, please ignore what I am saying.

Sam, as I am a beginning opera singer & I wish to hear different comments from different people, guess I can pick their good recommendations & even negatives cmmts that to strenghten my singing technics as improvement process. I am a Hong Konger & working in Vietnam, not sure whether I can find the book in Chinatown bookstore. Rgdg the choosing of musical instrument, wl hear some more recommendations from Senior People before choosing one for learning. May I know which is your favourite instrument, thks.

Tai Fu in reading : I hv taken down their favourite cmmts, it is useful for me to know more abt singing & learning instrument matters. Are you a musican & how long you sing opera ?

Kent in reading : Woo, I am lucky to get your lengthy sharing on my enquiry. Really I love Cantonese opera singing, all the way I learned by own way, usually listen to VCD daily, yes I can sing those common "siu cook" & simple "cook pai" but I wish to sing much better. Guess I need to find a good singing teacher, he/she may provide proper guidance on improvement my singing techniqics. Once I choose one musical instrument, is important to get a good musical teacher to provide good foundation of musical knowledge & basic skills of practice, trust there are no talent on that, only require practice, practice & practice. U'stand you can play so many musical instrument, are you learned your own or pay for musical coaching, pls adv.

my favourite is the piano which i cannot play
and the urhu which i cannot play well.

LonLon:

How much time do you spend in Vietnam?
I have seen some Vietnamese MukYu that sounds very nice, and different sizes. Do you know what I am talking about? Do you see them in Vietnam? How often do you go back to HongKong? I'll visit Guangzhou Trade Convention during the second half of April. Will you be in the vicinity? We can meet for coffee and a chat.

Kent, I started the assignment in Vietnam started Mar 05, every year I hv two home trips back HK. Sori I cannot meet you in Apr, wl you spend short vacation in Vietnam after the exhibition ? Rgdg Muk Yu, I had visited to local musical shops & didn't found this instrument, guess it is too small & difficult to recognize, they sell some chinese musical instruments but seems the size are bit smaller. Hope wl meet you someday somewhere in future. thks.

LonLon,

Where in Vietnam are you?
How save is Vietnam for vacation?
Any good things to see?
Did you meet any CO organizations? Anyone singing CO?
How do you practice over there? How much does it cost to sing one song for 30 minutes?
The MukYu I am talking about is made out of some black wood almost similar to ebony. It was selling here once in SF Chinatown for US$40 each, a bit expensive, but sound totally different but better. By the time I decided to get them, they were gone. It comes in different sizes and different pitch, and the average is the price I quoted.


--Kent

Kent, I am working in Ho Chi Ming city, it is a safe country & living std is not that cheap for foreign. I hv been here for a month only, not much familar with the tourist place, according to local people, there many good places for site seeing & resort hotel in beach side. Rgdg singing organisation, I visited Chinatown many town but couldn't find those singing organisation, guess there are singing place but not sure they are charging by minutes singing. Now I am singing in a Chinese restaurant, everyday they hv two hours singing session to entertainment customers, the orgainisation team would sing either opera or other cantonese or chinese songs, or customer can volunteer to sing on the stage, there are no charge & usually people paid tips to the singers only. Besides, everyday I love to listen opera songs at night time, that's my self learning processes. If you hv time, pls arrange for short vacation & you wl explore something different compare with US, guess there are big difference compare with living std & culuture etc. Rgdg the Muk Yu, I wl re-visit those musical shops & see whether I can find the items, wl keep you updated.

Kent, one of my friend w/b visiting HK two weeks later, I may ask him to buy one Chun Kum for my learning. Last time you recommended to buy in Hoi Sing in Prince Edward C, could you pls list down the musical shop name, its full address & contact nbr, as my Vietnamese friend can locate the correct shop, thks.

LonLon:

Hoi Sing is Chinese name for Harmony Music Co. in Mongkok district. Exact address is Block D-F, 1st Floor, 108-118 Prince Edward Road, Kowloon.
The entrance is on Portland Street, a side street.
It is what we call a mezannine floor.
Take the subway Prince Edward exit C2, After getting up the stairs, make a right turn at Portland Stree, and it should be the first stairway on his right hand side.
Their telephone number is (852)2381-2025.
This is their main store. Do not go to their other stores. The main stores has more varieties, and much more inventory. This instruments at the other stores are marked higher prices because of the higher rent.
Their website address is
http://www.harmony-music.com

Your have 2 options of ChunKum, ask for the one that is designed for the hepta-tonic scale (no semi-tones, and compare it with the ones that have chromatic frets (with semi-tones). Some chromatic version has additional frets for hepta-tonic notes, and probably will be priced higher. Ask you friend to test out the notes with a tuner. Mr. Lee Hoi, the owner, can possibly lend your friend a tuner for him to test the instrument.

Kent, noted the address & wl ask my Vietnam friend to purchase one Chun Kum for practice. When you are leaving for China trip ? Refer to yr mail 3/30, can you further explain the absolute pitch practise singing, can I serf Internet to find some good books for the practice myself as well as chinese opera book & singing theory book as I cannot find these type of ref books in Vietnam, thks. How frequent you practise opera singing ? Who is your favourite singer model ? Lon

LonLon:
You asked several questions that require separate answers. I'll deal with them one at a time.
Absolute pitch 絕對音高 refers to notations that came from piano and strings, and notated in clefs. For example, in treble clef, the lines from bottom to top are E,G,B,D,F, independent of which scale is used, for example, instead of 3,5,7,2,4, as in 123 notation when we are referring to the C key. When the note falls on the 2nd line, (we always count from the bottom), we know the note is G, (as supposed to 5 in C key or 1 in G key), and we just play the fingering pattern that will produce a G in piano, or violin, or for that matter, whichever instrument. We also think in terms of an abolute scale, namely C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C, not 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1. To give you an example, my violin (cello, erhu,yangqin...,) instrunctor will say, Kent, play the D note on the yangqin or gaohu, then I know to play the 2nd open string. If he asks me to sing the B note, then I know to sing the B note, not a C. When he plays a particular note on the piano, or hit a tuning fork, and ask me what note it is, and I can name it, then I can tune to an absolute pitch.
When you take voice training 美聲學, those are the first things you learn,

1. be able to sing in tune to the clef notation, and
2. be able to listen to the exact tune

You can find the topic of absolute pitch in almost any books on voice training. You may even find them in official Cantonese Opera books. To find singing skills with Cantonese Opera may be more difficult, since I have not seen them published yet. It is something very new in the conservatories in Shanghai, Guanghzou, and BeiJing. Rather than finding the reference of absolute pitch published in Cantonese Opera books, I suggest you to learn the absolute pitch the traditional way, and apply it to Cantonese Opera singing instead.
I'll find a bibliography for you that lists all the authentic books that you need for Cantonese Opera. My students at Stanford and San Jose are required to read them, and you may be able to find them useful. Most of them are in Simplified Chinese chatacters, and were published in BeiJing and Guangzhou. I will also find a Chinese book-order website I once used in China. You can order books from them. The books are priced higher than the marked price, and also listed in US currencies. You also need to pay for shipping, but at least they allow you to order almost any books published in Chinese, and they take care of everything for you, and mail them to your address outside of China.

Hi Kent, Sori for late reply & thks again for the detailed explanations abt absolute pitch. Friendly speaking, I don't hv any fundamental knowledge abt mucisal theory, it is difficult to gauge what you are explanation. FYI, I visited two local singing organisations which they hv opera singing sessions in morning "drink tea" from 8 to 11 am. Mostly those musical masters are part time players, music are above expectations. I hv talked to the Head of the musical team, according to him, he can teach me opera singing techniqics & practising Chun Kum, tuition fee are comparatively cheap compare with HK / Sing private tuition class. By the way, pls share the other topics & I wl seek demonstrations when I started the singing tuition, trust it is a fast way to learn opera singing. Pls recommend some books which I can learn more in musical theory & singing techniqics, I wish to know some more. Remember you are going for trade fair in April, when you are leaving for China trip. By the way, may I know what is your profession in US ? Lon

Kentsifu, guess you are now enjoying your semi retired life in SF, luckily your wife is a Chinese Opera Fantanic, trust your life is very meaningful. Noted your biz trip schedules, it s/b tight, unfortunately you can't squeeze time for a short vacation here, hope wl meet each other in nearer future. If you hv time, pls record some of your songs so that I can learn from your singing techniqics, currently I hv learned the "Chai Tau Fung" & you may recommend few couple singing songs for my self practice, who is your favourite singer ? Rgdg work, if you don't mind, can we further discuss via email, my email address is longlong401199@yahoo.com.hk wish to receive your email soon, thks. Lon Lon

LonLon:

I just send you email. We should continue using email.
I'll prepare a bibliography and a list of recommended songs for you as soon as you send me a list of your favorite singers.

most of all needs aptitude...kind of talent in music , timing, pitch, and feeling. Without this talent you can only be like most opera music player.

立兄, 藍兄,

這句說話是否人身攻擊, 或甚至全人類攻擊呢 ?

Hi Tai Fu,

Are you a musical player & how long you have been singing opera songs ? Who is your favourite singers. If you are playing musical, pls share which instrument you are playing, thks. Lon Lon

please delete my entry on 15 April
please please

Deleted, thanks

thanks mate

Alap,
Can you delete my posting on April 11?
Thanks,
--kentSifu

The message deleted.

7/19/2005

Hi Kent,

Could you pls send email to me at longlong401199@yahoo.com.hk as we didn't communicate for long long, thks / Lon.

唐山大兄 :

誰說"曲友求曲區"祇能求曲譜呢 ?

原唱歌曲不是已送上了嗎 ?

龍兒

啊啊，龙儿先生，我是昨天才搜索到这个网站的。小弟不才，望文生义，罪过罪过！

that is ok. you are not the only one who do not read the web site before complaining

唐山大兄 :

請將126.com 戶口名稱告之 ,

以便再傳上潞安洲原唱歌曲 .

龍兒

龍兒:請將潞安洲上載來這個公眾郵箱:wllihk@126.com .密碼:123456...........令各人得益.唔該你!

soso：
wllihk@126.com 是Candy的私人郵箱，只是為方便網友而將密碼公開。並非“公眾郵箱”，請勿誤會！

南極仙翁:
久仰!久仰!
喺我一時誤會.有怪莫怪.在此講聲多謝呢個私人郵箱.內面的靚曲我得益不少,多謝!

立兄:
是否有些問題,電台粵曲精選;電台粵曲選錄都不可以登上.

1）“曲友求曲区”这个名称很有问题，多数人刚进来时都以为要求的是可以下载的一个唱段，不料原来是指曲谱！所以建议改名为“曲友求曲谱”不致引起误解。
（2）谈天说地实际上是个论坛，这本来是个很好的事情，但它的功能是远为不够的。多数网友想要的是什么？我认为是想听和下载更多的唱段，所以如果它能上传音频和视频，或者给个连接就更好了---或者干趣新办个这样的栏目。建议去国内三大论坛之一的子陵论坛（有几千人同时在线）中相对较冷辟的“音乐地带”栏目看看，如果贵网能办一个类似的栏目，那实在是太好了！！！

我是昨天才搜索到这个网站的
already have so many constructive ideas.!!

sam先生，大陆仔本人文化水平极低，可看不懂什么鹰语鹅语，因而不明白你的意思。抱歉得很，见谅！

大陆仔先生:
我很想知道國內三大论坛之名和地址.

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/list.asp?boardid=1凯迪社区之“猫眼看人”。这是国内最出名，最有人气的论坛。

http://www.ziling.com/bbs/list.asp?boardid=33
子陵论坛之“子陵杂谈”

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/list.asp?boardid=1
凯迪社区之“猫眼看人”。此乃国内第一论坛。
前面的连接出了问题，现在补帖上。

至于第三个论坛因已衰落，在此就不去连接了。国内的论坛因受到各种因素的影响，风格时有变化。例如子陵论坛在很长一段时间以来都很有锐气，以敢言出名；但几个月前的改版令其风格多少有了变化，人气也大不如前了。而猫眼看人虽为第一论坛，但水平实在太高了，所以我还是比较中意子陵，也常去那里混。

yep, I know

姑姑在上，请受小徒一拜！小辈苟存于乡郊野岭，孤陋寡闻，才疏学浅，竟不能猜破师傅之玉意，将英姿巾帼错当七尺须眉，诚惶诚恐，罪过罪过！小徒之过处，用北人之语谓之马大哈，若按粤人俗语评曰大头虾！小徒斗胆猜度，姑姑必是秀外慧中，柔肠婉转之再世玉环。
姑姑您真逗，我到邮箱中一查，所邮来之曲每段只有736KB（合共不到2BM），而小徒的邮箱尚存1800MB的空间，够存一首几十分钟的曲子。故而师傅是否怀疑小徒拜师之诚心而有意藏了两手？惘自度之，却又恐重蹈前车之辙，实在无所适从也。
新邮箱列于前面，小徒恭候佳曲。

我为下载自已喜爱的曲目，苦苦搜索，但多空手而归。但自从找到贵网后，已下载了十多首曲，谢谢你们啦。
并且，我已将贵网的网址在超强人气的子陵论坛上挂帖，希望贵网有更多的人有关心，祝愿贵网越办越好！

立哥:
最近見到粵曲大笪地將篇幅縮成一板,而且亦曾修改唱口提供唱曲之數量,但仍見有某些唱口有多過兩首唱曲登錄在大笪地內,本人不是針對任何唱口,亦不過覺得奇怪,這不是對其他唱口不公平嗎?再重申講句,本人絕對無意得罪任何曲友,亦希望網主及各位勿怪本人多事.

很多謝你提出關於「粵曲大笪地」現存的問題，其實大笪地曲目多的人，都曾電郵問及我再出曲會不會犯例，我當時給他們的答案是「不會」，因為當時規例寫明，每人可出曲一首，祗要他每次出曲時轉換拍擋，而該拍擋亦未曾出過曲，那麼配額便可落在其拍擋身上了。這樣做法，我認為當時的安排是適當及公平的，因為未曾出曲當然可以出曲，沒有理由因為拍擋曾出曲而禁止的。
這種安排在大笪地沿用多年，一直都沒問題，事實上，除了偶然有曲友主動删曲及換曲外，我從未試過拒絕曲友登曲的要求，亦沒有收到此安排不公平的投訴。＜待續＞

london just got bombed!!!!

and this is 阿立's web site.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

直至前些兒我發覺投曲的人漸多，亦由於我為求播出效果理想一些，加大了每一首曲的許可容量，因而使到負荷大增，我知道若長此下去，我租用的伺服器很快便滿溢，所以惟有決心删除大笪地一部份的曲。
「粵曲大笪地」運作多年，很多舊曲已存放了很久，從來在大笪地出曲，我都沒有說會放多久，這是為給自己的一個運作上的彈性，而主要是看歡迎程度而定，若果數個月也沒有曲友出曲，那删除舊曲便沒有逼切性，亦沒必要，但是，若很多曲友都支持大笪地及想出曲，情形便不同了，我必須刪除舊曲，才可維持「粵曲大笪地」的正常運作，而且，我看不出曲友有保存舊曲在大笪地而不自行轉曲更新的理由，因時間不同，曲友的唱功亦應有異，為什麼不改放自己的新曲上去呢？＜未完待續＞

立哥:
不是對你投訴,只是看見你在網站首頁上寫明由於篇幅改為一頁,所以每位唱口最多只能登錄兩首曲目,就算與不同拍擋也是一樣,未知我有否誤解你的意思?點樣都好,這是你的網站,而且是個受人歡迎的網站,你的決定,我們一定尊重.總之,這是疑問,毫無惡意,請見諒!

小弟愚見，最好是每人一首，不論平子喉的配搭是否不相同，那就最公道不過啦。
但要慎防，有些歌友用中文名一首，又用英文名再來一首的情况出現。

回看大笪地，原來有些朋上曲達 7 首之多，有些 2 首，3 首以及 4 首，均祇不過是於配搭上稍有改動而已，利用了規條上的漏洞。

＜續＞於是我便决定更改規例，將大笪地縮為一頁，而更加將出曲的曲友限制為祗可出兩次，無論轉換拍擋與否，都一視同仁，此舉無疑是限制一部份人出曲的機會，會有不公平的情况出現，但我覺得，世事很難完美，我惟有在資源運用，出曲權利與及客觀因素之間中取一個平衡，盡力顧及各方的需要。
規例更改，我明白很多現存的曲便立刻變成違規，那是否應删除？答案毫無疑問是否定的，這些曲登出時全都是依足規例，沒有理由規例更改便立刻刪除，所以，希望大家曲友體諒及明白，長城並不是一天建成，「粵曲大笪地」是我建立此網頁以來，最感驕傲及自豪的環節，事實現今的發展，正已逐漸步入我當初構思的原意，所以，我比任何人都愛護及珍惜，我亦深信，各位至愛的曲友，會給大笪地一點時間，且放眼於將來，讓我們共同攜手協助小生命的成長吧！

新仔兄：
多謝你的意見，我完全明白你的好意及感受，我之所以在此長篇大論解述大笪地現時及過去的情况，主要是因為除了你之外，我亦收到不少訊息，是對大笪地的運作及規例有些不太明暸或誤解，所以我便趁此機會，向大家解釋清楚。

Raymond 兄：
多謝你的意見，若果來曲太多，我是有可能改為每人一曲的，若果有人用別名出曲，我想很多人都聽得出，不過，似乎現在問題不大。
有一點我想補充的是，雖然大笪地給予曲友「演出」的機會，但亦是表示曲友對「粵曲大笪地」的支持，對「阿立粵曲天地」的支持，所以我不想在條文上訂得太死。以往出曲多的曲友，就算是有七首，也沒有對其他想出曲的曲友做成阻礙，沒有人想出曲被拒絕，當然，大家可以說，這便是速成大笪地三改一的成因，這是事實，但冰封三尺，非一日之寒，三改一是遲早的問題，希望大家能以平常心對待此事。

最近網主由於伺服器容量問題而提出限制曲友出曲數量，因而引起新仔兄及其他曲友提出公平問題，以致網主不得不再三解釋因由、歷史、及原則等，相信這個問題亦會給網主立兄帯來一些煩惱，可幸立兄處理得當，將問題大致解決。小弟欲借此機會分析問題之成因，並提出愚見，供大家參考。

要分析問題所在，先要了解『大笪地』的目的、資源，規則、民主等。

先說目的，相信網主設立『大笪地』的目的是提供曲友交流的平台，以達到提高曲藝的目的。最近成立的『大笪地曲友討論區』，相信都是朝著這個方向進發。因此不應存有『示威』或『獨霸』的心態，最好是不論水準，愈多曲友上曲愈好，這才容易達到目的。﹝一﹞《待續》

《續一》再說資源，由於伺服器容量問題，不能無限制給曲友上曲，況且這部分並非個人網頁﹝不像『粵曲班歌集』內阿立個人之傑作﹞，部分曲友出曲太多，會有喧賓奪主之嫌，而且使聽眾不能集中注意，欣賞表演者之精粹，因此投曲者應貴精不貴多，選取自己在某一時段最精彩的一兩首，接受意見。﹝二﹞完

除了令曲友明白道理外，亦要定立明確、清晰的規則，方便大家去依從及遵守。在『粵曲大笪地』首頁“注意”第四點：〝.......不論平喉或子喉，最多祗可出曲兩次......〞。此段文字有兩處不清 晰地方，容易引起誤會，其一是〝平喉或子喉〞是指每人計還是每對計？其二是〝出曲兩次〞是以同一拍檔計還是不分呢？雖說小節，其實分別很大，影響規則的執行。因此網主在10/7的主頁通告中加上〝....就算平喉或子喉轉換配搭，亦不能多於兩首曲〞於是把漏洞填補，有助解決疑團。及後12/7及13/7新仔有禮貌地提出不公平的問題，因為發覺網上仍有犯規情況,如提出討論。立兄其實己於第一時間回應，不再叙述。其實立兄只是遵守規則，在新例生效前之事例不與追究，正是守法的表現。不應強行刪曲，除非曲友自願跟隨新例或體現『大笪地』設立的精神則當別論。

最後談到民主問題，有人說這是立兄的網頁，他本人應有權決定一切，本人則有不同意見。雖是私人網頁，但經多年來的努力，網頁已有一定成就，且有一定支持及口碑，看訪客人數達27,600人次已知殊不簡單。我覺得曲友的擁有感、參與感、及認同感是成功網頁不可缺少的元素，所以能參考網友的意見，然後才改變遊戲規則，尤其影響網友的利益，更需審慎考慮，當然網主絕對有權決定一切。

本人非常同意新規例，除了能善用資源外，尚可加快獻曲的速度，同時亦可使曲友聽曲後提供意見，達到交流的作用。此外曲友獻曲更為審慎、珍惜、及雕琢。

非常同意立兄一番肺腑之言〝希望大家曲友體諒及明白，長城並不是一天建成，「粵曲大笪地」是我建立此網頁以來，最感驕傲及自豪的環節，事實現今的發展，正已逐漸步入我當初構思的原意，所以，我比任何人都愛護及珍惜，我亦深信，各位至愛的曲友，會給大笪地一點時間，且放眼於將來，讓我們共同攜手協助小生命的成長吧！〞

raymond 兄 :
你說 : "回看大笪地，原來有些朋上曲達 7 首之多，有些 2 首，3 首以及 4 首，均祇不過是於配搭上稍有改動而已，利用了規條上的漏洞。" 本人不同意"利用了規條上的漏洞" 這句 ! 你為何不轉個角度向"旦" 那邊看呢 ? 若照現在規則, 剛好那個旦和這個生有合唱到一首很滿意之歌而這個生又和其他人有唱曲登了, 這個旦豈非不能登 ? 要知有錄到隻靚歌不是件容易事啊 ! 而立 sir 亦沒禁止其他人如此做, 更何來獨霸一語, 那位仁兄是否想學我一般 ... 呢 ? 一笑 ! 別見怪, 胡塗只是從另一角度去客觀看事情而已 !

胡塗兄

小弟的建議貼中，又何來有 “獨霸“ 兩字呢！
要是從客觀角度去看事情的話，則應為他人設想，
( 並非為小弟，因小弟從沒有這個打算)
貼曲可以兩首接兩首，更不應一個人佔了 3，4個位置，甚至 7 個。
純粹從客觀角度分析事件，若有得罪之處，見諒！

以公平為原則，如發生胡塗兄提出的問題，那旦可與生商量，減去生在網一曲，即可不違規而又可出曲，相信那生不會反對吧！
至於raymond提出的問題，只需考慮新例生效的日期便可解決。

raymond 兄 :
"不應一個人佔了 3，4個位置，甚至 7 個。" ... ? 你還沒換角度看事情 ! 請向旦方面看吧 !
Peter 兄,
"那旦可與生商量，減去生在網一曲，即可不違規而又可出曲，相信那生不會反對吧！" 那生在下相信不會反對, 因再上新曲那生亦有份, 但先前那個旦相信不會不反對, 因佢首曲被別個代替了, 再說, 如此常常換曲法怕只怕給立 sir 添麻煩 ! 有句俗語:換湯不換藥, 不知用在此處適合否 ? 在下再想重提各位曲友一點: 立 sir 亦沒禁止其他人如此做, 各位不仿多上些新曲, 相信立 sir 無限歡迎, 開罪處, 請見諒 !

:)
funny world we live in. Story:-

Walking along the street, friends found money scattered all over the ground. ........Friends fight over each others picking up the 'bonus' money. You should not pick up that much...
:( You have got more than I do...

Why do people argue here without giving ahlap any respect???? worse, putting words into ahlap's mouth
It is totally due to ahlap's grace that this site exists........

我這個粵曲新丁,因學粵曲關係經常去不同場地欣賞演出, 發覺部份觀眾質素很差, 如聽手機, 大聲討論演出者, 更甚者是跟着演出者唱, 本人在此哷龥想提高粵曲地位, 先從觀眾做起應自重,自律, 不要淪為被社會人仕視為師奶之小眾娛樂.

同意，非常同意

如何去提高粵曲/劇的地位呢？請大家提出巨體意見。

我想要靚次伯的《楊繼業闖碑》，立哥，可以放上網上比我嗎？

大傢好，我唱粵麯已經六七年啦，住彿山啊，但好多人都說我唱粵麯時候氣沒有到肚，換句話來說就是不懂得用丹田氣唱粵麯，這樣齣來的傚果是不夠實！請問各位老師，前輩，有什么方法可以使我改正這個缺點呢？望賜教！小弟感激不盡！

大家好，我住佛山架，我十六岁，好中意唱粤曲，我想要
白蛇新传之合钵（任剑辉、白雪仙）
夜困曹府
关公月下释貂禅（新马，崔妙芝）
杨继业闯碑（靓次伯）
我的QQ：304387921
邮箱：crocodiel@126.com

good to learn things when young. Discipline is important when learning new things. no less in C Opera.

First you have to understand what discipline is.

多謝師父仔評語,但不明什麼叫起角,希望賜教!!!!

古君

賜教則不敢，研究但無妨。
“起角“即每一個音階的銜接位收得太硬和出得太硬，以至聽來不流暢。

煩請轉回討論區。

大家好，我住佛山架，我十六岁，好中意唱粤曲，我想要
白蛇新传之合钵（任剑辉、白雪仙）
夜困曹府
关公月下释貂禅（新马，崔妙芝）
杨继业闯碑（靓次伯）

Candy:

My friend introduced recently this website to me. Wud it be possilbe for you to upload the flwg onto wllihk@126.com again (in either mp3 or wma format) pls:
白蛇新传之合钵（任剑辉、白雪仙）
琵琶记之庙遇（任剑辉、白雪仙）
牡丹亭之游园惊梦（任剑辉、白雪仙）
红杏未出墙（任剑辉、白雪仙）

Many thanks and kind regards.

Ferry，
在邮箱wllihk@126.com里有你想要的曲目，我已经将其放到“收件箱”里，如果你还需要其他的可以到“已发送箱”内查找，但下载后请勿将原件删除，如有不便之处竟请见谅！

（PS：因为这些都是较早前上传之曲目，因此是rm格式的，如有需要可下载转换软件自行将其转换成其他你所需要的格式,如有不便之处竟请见谅！）

Candy:
Many thanks for your response. I've fixed it as instructed. Once again, many thanks.

Ferry，
唔好意思，我的英文不太好，唔系好明你留言的意思，可以用中文留言吗？

Candy:

非常多謝你的回應. 我已根據你的指示轉換了. 再次謝謝!

Tim 代譯

Candy:
妳好.我想問妳一個題外話.妳將粵曲送上郵箱是用什麼軟件.請介紹一下.

CWC，
把任何附件上传到邮箱都不用软件帮助，因为邮箱本来就具备上传福建的功能，不需要多此一举。
一般发送程序如下：
1.进入“写信”或“发邮件”，填写你要发送的e-mail地址、主题
2.然后找到“附件”，把你要上传的文件路径输入或按“查找”选择
3.确定后按“上传”或确定上传后按“发送”即可

（PS：如果你要将该文件备份保存在自己的“已发送”箱，则必须在按“发送”前，于“保存在本邮箱”的复选筐内打钩确认，再按“发送”就可以了）

不知道这是不是你想要的答案，但我一直是这样使用邮箱做保存或备份的，如果还有什么问题欢迎你留言给我，假如我知道一定会尽力帮忙的。

CANDY:
謝謝.邮箱是有上传功能,不過上傳20多M需很長時間,所以,我以為你有用軟件而已.

CWC，
文件越大上传时间就会越长，这是正常现象，很多时候甚至会因此而失败，我暂时还没有想到更好的解决办法。所以以前我多数用虚拟空间代替邮箱，只是现时使用虚拟空间的网友不算太多，也不太普及。

I would like to find out how to get into wllihk@126.com �l箱
Thank you

http://www.126.com/

用户名：wllihk
密　码：123456

阿立，
我最近把qq给我的谱整理过，并将任姐和麗姐合唱的《胭脂巷口故人來之罵玉郎》整理成工尺谱，已经发送到你的邮箱，请注意收取，如果你没有收到，也可以登陆到邮箱：wllihk@126.com下载，密码是：123456

曲已收到，十分多謝。

it would be nice not to encourage 曲友求曲 here. It may be a bit anal but rules or policy are made to be followed.

请问在哪里有几十年前的粤曲 ”小明声“等的粤曲下载呢？？？
如果各位有收藏”小明声“的粤曲的。请mail我拉！！
thanks！！！！

OyJa00，
在邮箱wllihk@126.com里有你想要的专辑，我已经将“小明星专辑”放到“收件箱”里，如果你还需要其他的可以到“已发送箱”内查找，但下载后请勿将原件删除，如有不便之处竟请见谅！

立哥,多謝為我登出二首歌,請給我們多點意見,請多多指教...

閣下聲靚字清，運腔方面仍需努力

bbc:
閣下的評語，已轉往大笪地之曲友評語專頁。

Morning
I need some clarification on how to sing "Quan Fah"; to see the difference btw "1st half - seong poon kui" and the "2nd half - har poon kui". What is the difference btw a male "QUan Fah" ending notes & a female "Quan Fah" ending notes. All I know that Quan Fah is divided into 2 portion with 2 different ending tunes & I was being told that I've been using Male ending tones while I'm singing the female role.

Would appreciate if the answer to be given in English as I cannot read Chinese - sorry & thanks for the help!

Hi Joey

I would like to refer you to Alap's web page called 粵曲小字典 (CO Mini Dictionary) - 2. 梆黃板腔模式結束音圖表 ( Section 2: The ending note for various Bond Wong). After you enter to the Dictionary, click Section 2 and you will see 15 samples of Bond Wong. Please go to 5, 6, 7, 13 & 15. These are the 6 different types of 滾花 (Quan Fah). However, you should only worry about Quan Fah #5 - the 士工滾花 (6 3 Quan Fah). According to the Dictionary, this is the only one that soprano sings differently at the end of it. Whereas, the rest of other Quan Fahs are identical for both tenors and sopranos.

For the soprano closing the 士工滾花 (6. 3 Quan Fah), according to the Dictionary, she needs to sing the note 上 (dor) for the 上句 (seong poon kui) and the note 合 (sor 5.) for the 下句 (har poon kui).

Hope this helps and wish you well in singing CO. Cheers

PS I am not a professional. I only quote Alap's CO Mini Dictionary for your information. BTW, I do adore people like you who do not read Chinese but are keen to sing CO. Keep going and enjoy it to the fullness.

pinpin:

Thanks your help.

立兄: 舉手之勞, 唔使客氣 pinpin

Pinpin
Thks alot. Will try my best to understand the CO dic.

No worries Joey. If you need clarification again, plase feel free to email me:

i_am_pinpin@yahoo.com.au

Or you can enter the Chatroom in Alap's 談天說地, people theer are able to communicate with you in English. Cheers

看不懂, 看不懂, 不知寫什麼 ! 更有一事不明白, 為何昨日訪客次數係 000 呢 ? 我的電腦出了毛病嗎 ? 記得昨天上網時唔係呢個數喎 ?

胡塗: 我部電腦都係顯現 000

PS 上文是為一位唔係好識中文的曲友解答滾花的問題.

那計數器常自己變了零，我也不知原因，不過祗用作參考之用，不必太認真。

我係灣仔演藝夜校粵劇的學生,我o地9/7在演藝戲劇院演出[女兒香],內幕消息,尾場有很多武打場面,實行使出真功夫,由＋年以上的師姐們鼎力演出,唔睇果o個就走寶了,門票所剩無幾,快D o黎買飛啦!宣傳到此完畢~

請問昭君出塞的版權擁有人是誰/ 唱片公司?

已在曲友討論區回應。

多謝pater兄提醒,所以認真地細心欣賞了多首歌曲,發現了"沈三伯與雲琅"及"夢會梅花澗".真是直得一聽,尤其平子喉都唱出情緒,有味道,配合幾好,動聽, 不過這只是我個人想法,末知大家看法如何?

很多謝妳的聽後感，現「粵曲大笪地」已在「曲友討論區」增加了「 粵曲大笪地之曲友評語專頁」，今後各曲友可將感受放在該處，而妳今次的回應，我亦已轉錄到該專頁了，謝謝！

Peter 兄：

多謝你的收聽和讚賞
希望能遇到更多的 （子期 ）和給我多些
寶貴的意見！

最近粵曲大笪地三首新曲都聽過，唱者水準都不俗，值得欣賞。

《啼笑姻緣》唱者很似“新馬”的演譯，腔口亦很自然、流暢。
《龍女姻緣》唱者，平子喉各有特色，但錄音的效果較欠理想。
《隋宮十載菱花夢》唱者水準較為平均，咬字清晰，鑼鼓音樂亦能配合劇情氣氛。

未知大家的看法如何？

另外、得悉版主有意刪除兩頁舊曲，以滕出版位給曲友上曲。此舉無可厚非，亦可鼓勵多些知音交流，不過被刪去的歌曲中，不乏優異的演譯，未能與新曲友分享及機會交流學習，實屬可惜。倘未能設法保留優異作品，則在此呼籲各網友盡快抽空欣賞，以免遺珠。

立 sir 此舉本人覺得頗好呀 ! 舊不去又何來新的呢 ? 萬物皆要有所循環，好, 好, 好呀 !

本人很讚同網主此舉。就算不因資源所限亦該有此一舉，因此舉對曲友很有鼓勵性 !

立哥我是古惠然請問收到我(貓)給你的歌否

兩首曲都已收到，正安排登出，謝謝！

请问五台RM收听格式网址?

請參考下列說明：

http://alapworld.com/misc/Radio_open.htm

聼現場實時呢？邊個地址？

rtsp://203.129.83.226/encoder/radio5.rm

以前想聼某一日節目網址是：
rtsp://202.177.192.68/rthk/200506/radio5/26/2005062619.ra
現在爲什�洶ㄔi以收聽？是否網址錯誤？

以前的我不知﹐這個是 6/14/2005 下午一點的﹔可能它改了 IP 未定?﹗

rtsp://203.129.83.228/rthk/200506/radio5/14/2005061413.ra

rtsp://203.129.83.228/rthk/YYYYMM/radio5/DD/YYYYMMDDHH.ra

YYYY = 年份
MM = 月份 (01-12)
DD = 日子 (01-31)
HH = 鐘 (24 小時計)

可以了，謝謝！

板主：
送了一些珍貴的相相給你，
快ｃｈｉｃｋ電郵吧！

已收到，十分多謝。

估不估到相中人�嶊漱p女孩是誰？

鄧碧雲迷ADA：
何解在內地無法打開網址？我在香港就可打開呢

相片太小，看不清楚，不會是妳吧？

答案﹕小女孩是鄧碧雲的女兒雷靄然小時候！

阿立兄﹐

不知是否阿朱的電腦太舊？左邊所有電台粵曲都去不到哩！！

今天怎麽了,我沒法打開網頁.在百度�堨u能查到這留言板.

阿朱:
是否這幾天才有此種情况出現？

soso:
因前些兒 sever 有些問題，有數小時開啟不到，請諒。

阿立兄﹐

現在都去到了！！

立兄：

小弟已於昨天 6月22日 郵寄一盒本人以上
歌曲的錄音帶給你，希望你能為我在 〔粵曲大笪
地〕上登出； 不知你已否收到？

伯牙

曲已收到，我會儘快登出，謝謝你對本網頁的支持。

立兄﹔

我已電郵＜鏡閣斜陽＞去你貓址，請查收並放入「曲詞集」。

康少

修正或刪除

曲已收到，十分多謝，會儘快登出。

阿立，
昨天上传了《一枝红艳露凝香》的平喉独唱及平子喉对唱的工尺谱到wllihk@126.com，麻烦你将其放到“曲词集”，方便各位下载，谢谢！

謝謝妳的幫忙，但因檔案太大，我並不打算放在「曲詞集」中，希望曲友如有興趣的，請自行到該郵箱下載。

阿立，
已经将檔案缩小，每张图片大概只有230KB左右。

可否不加壓縮直接 email 給我？
謝謝！

阿立，
我已经将该两曲谱e-mail到你的邮箱，假如你没有顺利收到，你也可以登陆wllihk@126.com的收件箱收取。

多謝妳的曲，會儘快登出。

今晚聽陳煥麟師生友好演唱會,司儀李龍介紹一曲時
提及"燒肉雞", 大意是與玩音樂有關的,
各位可否告知點解? 謝謝!

多謝各位賜教.錄音地方在李德甫師父知音曲藝社,深圳. 手機 NO. 13068445908. and 13316569338.

請問知音曲藝社的地址，局費貴嗎？有幾個音樂師傅？
地方大？空氣好嗎？光線如何？
和藝聲比較怎樣？

康少

知音地址: 羅湖關口港城商貿八樓0812號 tel:13068445908, 13316569338
音樂師傅共十位. 地方不算大, 每局收費 $1499.00
未去過藝聲不能作出比較.

玉齊唱得好好~~
比心機D la~~

may i ask if it was live music or karaoke??

我想應該是生樂 ! 尾段聽到有句"辛苦師傅"

但亦有可能是錄音師傅 ! 劉玉齊唱得幾好沒錯, 但本人覺得娘娘腔了點, 請別見怪 !

她是女平喉,有點女聲一點不出奇,
她們是生樂,
馮錦碧唱得也很好

very good music!!

音響真的十分不錯, 唱的亦好, 可否告知在哪裡錄的嗎 ? 兩位在不同地區居住, 定是先約好了地點錄音的吧 ? 謝謝 !

且讓老夫妄下數句評語

平喉無論於聲線,板路均有一定水凖,已擺脫了一般反串平喉的娘娘腔味道.於技巧上應可更上一層樓.

子喉板路,味道均可,惟是氣度及聲線的運用,則有待啄磨,還有吐字方面,要多下苦功.

整体上兩位唱者已相當不俗,繼續努力吧.
若有冐犯之處,多多包涵.

piece of rock

sam 少: 做乜咁勞氣呀?

:)
:)
not at all.
self amusement!!!
hey, our concert with laam chau is on 3rd of July. come down la.

Got no $$$ for the airfare (laugh!). BTW, what songs are being performed and whereabout do you stage the concert?

classy this time. at a performance hall in Nunawading (near DOncaster)

sum san baard
boon san yuen
sum yuen wui
yau woo
leung hung yuk kict koo tui kam bing
look mui ting ji luen
mun kwung nung yau kei dor sau

drive down here

tell me how to download pictures onto 談天說地

looks not only classy but rich in content too. good luck. Driving down south?! Do you know how much is the petrol cost todate????? I would better walk (laugh)!

For uploading pictures/songs/video etc, go to Ceipui's tutorial in 談天說地. She is an IT expert. have fun!

What song is this ""look mui ting ji luen"? is it composed by Law Man?

Ming 兄 :

可否告知我你的電郵地址？有事相求。

阿立
alapworld@yahoo.com.hk

立兄，是否找我?

小弟的"ming"都是小楷。

是的，請收 email。

减字芙蓉、三脚凳等是梆黄还是小曲？请识者指教。

是邦子類（近似有序中板）

立兄
我想請各位幫忙
我希望要一份曲譜(南宋飛虎將之逼返)
謝謝

not meant to be discourteous and I am not speaking on behalf of the web site owner (who had been too patient and too polite, who would say, for the millionth time, to go to 曲友求曲區 to put in your requuest)

I would rather say please enjoy this web site by reading the whole web page. You would have more fun looking through it and discover all its goodness by yourself.

:-)

Thanks

立兄
多謝你
不過我還沒有找到和得到
南宋飛虎將之逼返 的曲譜
請再幫忙
謝謝

劉兄﹐若要徵求曲詞﹐請去"曲友求曲區"。

劉志堅小弟弟，
"南宋飛虎將之逼返 " E首歌好激昂好好聽，
所以老身估你多數係年青小伙子.
你想要這曲詞, 你要入去立哥個網, 左邊的
"曲友求曲區"要求, 才會多D人留意到。
你喱係Ni 道，人地注意唔到.. :-)

立兄
多謝你們
曲譜找到了
是美國朋友馮錦碧給我的
多謝她也多謝大家

no need

請問何謂反線?請指教!

Can we have some nice people who know the answer to respond to the question being asked in such a polite way? Please!!!!

反線即用G調所奏出的曲調在粵曲來說便稱之為反線，即上六線

摘自我的上堂笔記:

G調 (反線) 比 C調 (正線) 要低五度. 曲社多用 C20, 專業矷像是用正線C.

G調 (反線) 应该比 C調 (正線)高5度或低4度，低5度是F调

Hi 南极仙翁

Thanks for your comments. I would like to you to clarify or to elaborate your statement "...高5度或低4度". Which one or both is correct?

I maybe wrong about my lecture notes as they were taken many years ago in my very first CO class (Perhaps I was day dreaming in the class and made a wrong entry of actually what the teacher had said! Laugh!).

learning music, especially chinese opera music theories on a website like this is not a good or smart way. If you had asked this question a few months ago you would be involved in a giant storm that almost wrecked ahlap's web site. Everyone has his or her own idea and each insist one being correct.

I suggest you go and get some proper organised lessons from a proper organisation.

Just to answer this question:

正線 means that do re mi fa so.......the 'do' start at C (please treat all c, c10, c20....as c, life is simpler this way)

反線 means that the 'do' start sat a note 低正線4 度.

if you find this confusing then take my advice otherwise your confusion can only get worse.

化簡為繁，嘻嘻

任迷, good luck

反線即用G調所奏出的曲調在粵曲來說便稱之為反線，即上六線

G調即用上六線所奏出的曲調在粵曲來說便稱之為G調，即反線

上六線即用反線所奏出的曲調在粵曲來說便稱之為上六線，即G調

I agree, it is simpler, ok, 化繁為簡，嘻嘻

建議發問者可先在網上找找有沒有答案，然後才發問。

小弟在教統局粵劇合士上網頁找到了以下的解說：

上六線／反線

上六兩音相當於音階��1, 5 兩個音。「反線二黃慢板」及「反線梆子中板」乃用上六線定調。反線二黃慢板有悲哀淒涼的味道。反線士工中板有兩種唱法，第一種唱法是比霸腔中板約低五度，因為反線接近霸腔的唱法，但用聲不如霸腔那麼高亢，而帶悲壯的感覺；第二種是接近平喉唱出，則感覺較低沉。

粵劇音樂的定絃，反線比正線，低了五度。現在為了方便，不少坊間以反線相若於西方音樂的G 調，但這是不對的，因二者的調式並不等同。

此外，由於有些小曲的音調太高或太低，在演唱時亦會使用反線，以適應演員的聲線狀態。

http://resources.emb.gov.hk/~chiopera/9.htm#%A4W%A4%BB%BDu

雖然未必百分百準確，但對初學者來說應該足夠。

I don't understand what is 上六線. Would somebody be kind enough to tell me the

"do" in 反線 is = 低音"fa" or "so" in C 調?

I can understand more easily in that way! Thanks.

smelly 丫頭

at the risk of being shot down again, i explain to you la.

上六 refers to the names of the notes of the 2 strings of the kao hu (open strings, no finger on them)

With gao hu the first string is tuned to the note of G, the second is tuned to D

上 = doe. That means if you decide on calling the note G as 'doe', you are singing or playing in G調. Doe is sounded when you play an open inner string.
Similarly the second string tuned to D would become 'so' (六=so)
G調 therefore has its doe at the inner string and so at the outer string and therefore called 上六線.

"do" in 反線 is = 低音""so" in C 調.

trust me.

Thanks, Sam. I now know whether I am.

Sorry I meant "I now know where I am"!

梆子与二黄的主要区别在哪里？请识者指教。

有關1637-1639的問題，小弟已於昨晚在曲友討論區"關於梆黃"一欄作答。

"關於梆黃"應為"粵曲梆黃"。

你這個問題並非三言兩語可解答，但姑且一說最重要的幾個分別：

(1) 梆子與二黃同屬粵曲中的版腔，前者的行腔以士音和工音為骨幹，後者的行腔以合音和尺音為骨幹。
(2) 因骨幹音不同，兩者所產生的音樂效果也不同，前者較高昂，後者較委婉。
(3) 梆子腔中，平喉和子喉的收音各異，二黃腔中，平喉和子喉的收音相同。
(4) 就調式而言(西樂中所謂的key，粵曲中所謂的線口)，梆子腔中，不論慢版或中版都只唱正線，但二黃腔變化較大，慢版可唱正線或反線，但正線二黃與反線二黃的行腔收音均不同；二黃的中版則唱反線。
(5) 二黃腔中的慢版和中版，都可唱梅花腔，即乙反二王和乙反中版。梆子腔的慢版和中版則不知可不可唱梅花腔，我不敢說完全不可以，但我本人則未聽過，我也不懂將梆子的慢版和中版唱梅花腔。
(6) 梆子慢版只有基本的十字曲格，二黃慢版則不但有十字句格，也有八字曲格。二黃慢版更有長句格式，梆子腔是沒有長句格式的。

我找到一本由陆风、钟达三选编的《粤剧小曲三百首》，他们是把“恋檀”、“恋檀中板”、“恋檀二流”、“乙反恋檀慢板”和“西皮”、“乙反西皮”都归到粤剧小曲的。

Hi 立哥:

First I want to thank you for setting up such a wonderful web site. I have enjoyed it very much!

I want to bring to your attention that the beautiful song 十 二 欄 杆 十 二 釵 by 文 千 歲 、 李 寶 瑩 of 電台粵曲選錄 stops after 9 minutes. Thanks.

多謝告知，在美國下載「電台粵曲選錄」內的曲，若是選用 wma，是可能會有困難的，那是因為 server 的問題，所以我建議妳送選用 rm, 會比較穩定一點。

I listened to the rm version and it also stopped after 9 minutes. Thank you.

立哥﹐剛做了試驗﹐下載了 rm (filesize: 1.318 KB) (都要好幾分鐘才下載到). I believe something is wrong with this file, as 我不能 fast forward 首歌 (moved the slide bar to the 9 min position, no sound; note: same problem even I slide forward just a bit). I tested on my other rm on the fast forward 就冇問題.

講漏了﹐去到 8:33 就冇聲.

I'm not sure the said song I d/l on April in RM format was identical with the ones by 海外Mei and Ceipui, I encounter no problem on playing back and neither did I find audio interroption on 9 min. position.....Well, going fine to the end.

It was downloaded from “電台粵曲選錄"﹐不是從第五台.

JoeJoe﹐我冇眼睇呀﹐你放了個歌曲連結在此呀﹗我暈喇~

該曲本來就是從本網下載自第五台的。

我只是想幫一下海外Mei 而已。

倘犯規，請刪除。謝謝。

Mei :
十分抱歉，我沒有測試便排除了自己一方有問題的可能性，太大意了，幸得思菩和 JoeJoe 仗義幫忙，否則我還在夢中，曲現已修復，可再試，如其他曲亦有問題，亦煩請告知。
思菩， JoeJoe ：
言重了，多謝幫忙，我想我是 server 搬家 upload 時出了問題，希望別的曲沒事。

JoeJoe: 我當然知你好心幫人啦﹐玩你一玩嘛﹐千萬不要怪我啊﹗

立哥﹕是小問題又何需抱歉呀﹖是呀﹐上次我 copy and paste to 不同 folder (within the same server)﹐都有同樣情形出現過呀﹗真的妨不勝妨啊﹗

思菩and JOEJOE: From reading the past messages I knew the patrons of this site are very親切and helpful, but I am still a bit overwhelmed by your kindness. I have already listened to the whole song. 真是很動聽 .

立哥: It is your hard work that gives us this wonderful place to meet each other, 無言感激中…

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http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,1-12-0-70,00.html?keywords=&type=15


作品 : 西施
名家 : 梁醒波
种类 : 粤剧
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,1-12-0-71,00.html?keywords=&type=15


作品 : 玉麒麟
名家 : 梁淑卿
种类 : 粤剧
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,1-12-0-72,00.html?keywords=&type=15

作品 : 思凡
名家 : 红线女
种类 : 粤剧
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,1-12-0-78,00.html?keywords=&type=15


作品 : 清宫恨史
名家 : 红线女
种类 : 粤剧
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,1-12-0-80,00.html?keywords=&type=15

作品 : 审死官
名家 : 红线女
种类 : 粤剧
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,1-12-0-79,00.html?keywords=&type=15

作品 : 双雄震九洲
名家 : 凤凰女
种类 : 粤剧
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,1-12-0-91,00.html?keywords=&type=15

作品 : 西施
名家 : 白雪仙
种类 : 粤剧
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,1-12-0-100,00.html?keywords=&type=15



作品 : 吟盡楚江秋
名家 : 甘明超
種類 : 粵曲
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,2-18-0-81,00.html?keywords=&type=14


作品 : 痴云
名家 : 甘明超
種類 : 粵曲
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,2-18-0-82,00.html?keywords=&type=14

作品 : 易水送荊軻
名家 : 梁玉嶸
種類 : 南粵
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks_highpop/1,2136,2-18-0-75,00.html?keywords=&type=14

方炳和兄:
很久不見,又有好東西推介.多謝了.

方先 生; 点解以上的頻道; 在歐洲入唔到嘅 ?

CO迷:用下列地址试试:(提示:网页中还有几段注明是"粤剧"的是"越剧"的误写)

中国宝网
http://www.chinabao.com/artworks/1,2133,1-12-10-0,00.html

另外:由于地址长,本网页的页面只使其一半"变蓝",如果你是直接点击,只有其一半的文字上地址栏,当然不对,应该把完整的地址拷贝到地址栏并回车确认才行,
试试!

CCW 先生:
您好
谢谢您,实际上我一直都在浏览朋友们的留言,和听立哥提供的精选歌曲,只是没露面而已.

炳和兄:
網已上到﹐但歌曲至一段時間便停了﹐是否這樣嗎﹖

就是一小段

炳和兄:
多謝告知。

大家好！求心聲淚影之寒江釣雪曲詞，誰有呢？

可憐的南海果丰居士,你好,
見到你2005.05.15第1593篇的留言還没有得到立哥的回覆.可能他太忙或没有頭緒答你.
讓我這個有心人帮你吧.
请你首先登入[佛山市政府网]http://www.foshan.gov.cn
然後入[党政部門]
再入[宣傳部]
再入[專题地帶]
再入[特别推介]
就見到[佛山頌]
Click入[佛山頌]你就見到你所要的東西了.
希望你及网友们欣賞這首新曲吧.
祝大家好運.

网上有心人

thank you for helping

for months, discussion were held and plenty of comments made on this matter. Eventually a 曲友求曲區 was set up. Conditions to make requests were laid down. Lately even the main page had to be changed to accomodate people who somehow refuse to enjoy the fun of surfing.

I am sure it is better to be self sufficent than to be spoon fed

直接给出下列地址不就直接了当了吗？！

http://www.fsxcb.gov.cn/fsxcbout/Catalog_10139.aspx

共四个文件：

http://www.fsxcb.gov.cn/fsxcbout/cd/music/01.ra
http://www.fsxcb.gov.cn/fsxcbout/cd/music/02.ra
http://www.fsxcb.gov.cn/fsxcbout/cd/music/03.ra
http://www.fsxcb.gov.cn/fsxcbout/cd/music/04.ra

《佛山頌》曲谱下载 MP3下载
http://www.fstv.com.cn/fstv/mlfs/

that would be my next demand, louis.

i am a reasonable person. I would not ask for this till ahlap satisfy my first demand, oops, I mean request.

立哥，

您好！ 麻烦您更新【电台粤剧欣赏】栏目，谢谢！

我有空會更新，謝謝！

I want this done everyday before I get up please ahlap

:-)

Sam That will be perfect if you are being served with breakfast in bed!!

鄧碧雲的網頁：碧雲天
http://hk.geocities.com/mother_325/
歡迎參觀及留言！

很抱歉，這網站暫時停止服務！

立哥:
可否開一個欄目有關曲目的故事內容,我知道要做資料搜集,但此舉可以令人多些認識及幫助唱曲.

你的意見很好，但一個粵曲網頁很難每個項目都兼顧，而且我亦沒有時間去做，但假若有人肯幫我去搜集資料，而該資料亦不會侵犯別人的版權，我是會考慮的。

i also want an eBay. Online shopping would be good too.

立哥，

您好！ 最近发觉【电台粤曲欣赏】栏更新时间比以前慢了，以前是一星期左右更新一次，现在一星期过后还没有更新。 比如说，今天已经是6月4日了，该栏中登载的最新粤曲还是5月24日的。

電台粵曲欣賞」已更新，多謝你的意見。

各位好！！
请教一下，我可以直接上传歌曲吗？

最近正在研究Photoshp与ACDSee的一些用法与功能，所以制作了一些图片与电脑屏保，在此想跟大家分享，如果你有用屏保的习惯，或者对屏保有兴趣的话，都欢迎你到邮箱wllihk@126.com的收件箱下载！

近日看曲词，收集到如下之名称：
粤曲梆黄名称

中板 快中板 慢中板 反线中板 乙反中板 恋坛中板
七字清中板 反线十字清中板
慢板 二黄慢板 反线二黄慢板 乙反二黄慢板 乙反长句二黄慢板 士工慢板 梆子慢板 河调慢板 乙反恋檀慢板
二黄 反线二黄 乙反二黄 长句二黄 滴珠二黄 十字二黄 教子腔二黄
二流 反线二流 长句二流 快打慢二流
滚花 长句滚花 合尺滚花 反线滚花 乙反滚花 乙反长句滚花 沉腔滚花
首板 二黄首板 梆子首板
南音 乙反南音 流水南音 乙反流水南音 扬州南音 解心腔南音
木鱼 苦喉木鱼
散板
煞板
倒板
回龙腔
教子腔
七字清
恋檀
西皮 苦喉西皮
减字芙蓉
哭相思

以上所列，是否全是粤曲之梆黄？

漏了嘆板。

另外，亦可說漏了三字經(三腳凳)，有序中板，十殿芙蓉，芙蓉中板，龍舟，鹹水歌，戀檀二流，乙反二王首板。

沒有散板。

迴龍腔及教子腔乃是二王的其中兩個專腔。

多谢MING兄指教。又学到野啦。

ming兄：陈笑风唱的《夏完淳就义》第一句“难完保国志”，曲谱上写明是《散板》呀？究竟粤曲有没有《散板》呢？

ming兄：陈笑风唱的《夏完淳就义》第一句“难完保国志”，曲谱上写明是《散板》呀？究竟粤曲有没有《散板》呢？

还有 "揺板" 哩! 陳嘉慧作的 "梨园歸夢南山隐" 平喉唱了一段, 很动聽. 据说是粤劇院的新創作. 請问可有前輩高人能詳细解釋"揺板"的來龍去脈? 先謝!

最近我們將會為長者演出.協助我們演奏的長者因看不懂簡譜, 故此現正努力找尋工尺譜給他, 以方便他的演出. 演出曲目為 - 《金不換》(又名蔭華山). 如能找到此工尺譜, 祈望能傳真給我. 傳真號碼：27610607.

曲詞集編號4048三看御妹，內文便有整首蔭華山的工尺（「輕輕執手把尺脈按」一段）。

好奇問問，通常會讀工尺譜及會玩樂器的人，應對蔭華山這小曲耳熟能詳，不用看譜也能演奏。

HI AhLap:

Song #4077 there is something garbled in page NO.2. Would you fix it please.

I can't fix it because I posted what I received.
Maybe qq canl help you.

i have tried to get a clearer copy to Ah-lap. please realise that Ahlap can only do so much for us.

Sam:
Thanks your work. Your copy was posted.

Sam, you did a good Job. Thanks!
I am going to fly you some more Song Sheets
to clear up.....Ha hahaha..... :-)

Sam哥,
立哥好有禮貌，如果他好辛苦，就不攪這網頁了，
他是尊重網友拿出的珍藏和心血而矣。立哥我向
你致敬, Thank you...

Sorry, 文字更正, 應該如下:
立哥好有禮貌，如果他"怕" 辛苦.......

i actually hate ahlap. How can he be so polite and patient???........lap kor, 'one laugh' only

看了本站的《粤曲小字典》后有个问题，粤曲的邦黄就是这里所列的十五种吗？望识者指教。（小曲除外）

no dictionary in this whole world would dare to claim to have all items in it.

i do not see any claim made by ahlap saying that 粤曲的邦黄就是这里所列的十五种. Constructive contributions are always welcomed.

Sam哥 收貓呀.....!

qq, you are beautiful
thankyou

漏了戀壇和西皮。

戀壇應為戀檀。

qq I took liberty to change your 艷陽丹鳳 lyrics. Sorry la

中大同學粵曲唱聚
二零零五年六月四日(星期六)
下午二時
香港中文大學崇基學院
利希慎音樂廳

一個由中大同學統籌及演出的粵曲演唱會，更有「雯藝軒」青少年粵樂曲藝團的同學參與演出,大、中、小學生的粵曲文化交流，實現「粵曲年輕化」。

免費入場, 欲免向隅，請致電香港中文大學戲曲資料中心預留座位
（電話：２６０３５０９８）
你亦可以電郵留座, 請把姓名,聯絡方法和留座數目寄至boazchow@yahoo.com

詳情請瀏覽
http://ihome.cuhk.edu.hk/~s033328/index.htm

易水送荊軻
秦香蓮之投府救雛
白蛇傳之水漫金山
以上三曲的電台轉播已過了期，不能收聽叻！

多謝告知，已作出了修改及更新。

立哥：

alapworld.com 的連結好像有點問題，時有時無，一天內出現了多次，感覺上又不像你正在做maintenance.

多謝告知，我想你也知道，其實本網站一共有三個 servers, 其中alapworld.com 表現一直强差人意，令我十分煩惱，所以我先前才决定將所有 cgi 的程式搬離，alapworld.com祇用於非媒體的用途，但昨天我將「電台粵曲選錄」內的 rm 歌曲全加上 wma放在alapworld.com處，我預計效果會不太好，但由於有 rm共用，所以也孤且試試，你指的「連結好像有點問題」，是不是就是指「電台粵曲選錄」新加的 wma?
ahlap.com 初登記時也有同樣的問題，但過了一段時間便穩定下來，希望alapworld.com也是如此。

立哥：

我所指的是以下的 links.
http://alapworld.com/dict/Dict.htm
http://alapworld.com/radio_1/radio_1_new.htm
http://alapworld.com/radio_2/radio_2.htm
http://alapworld.com/radio_3/radio_3_helen.htm
http://alapworld.com/song_words/songword.htm


第一行(粵曲小字典)最少出問題。
2-5行常常出問題，我所指的出問題是：當你click
Left Frame的alapworld.com有關 link 的時候，Right
Frame 出現 "無法顯示"。
至於內容裡的wma反而正常,只要right frame 有顯示，則無論wma或rm, 都能順利download.

有一點值得留意，"相片集" 和 "相關網頁" 同屬alapword.com，卻從未出事。

立哥，我以前也曾遇到同樣情形：html coding 是肯定沒錯的，偏就是在某server頭痛，別的不會。後來
URL 全部轉為lower case, 不用"-", 馬上不藥而癒。
舉例說: http://alapworld.com/radio_3/Radio_3_Helen.htm
把它改成：
http://alapworld.com/radio3/radio3helen.htm

我無法說明具體原因，只能認為某些server對某種不規則format 會間歇性抗拒而已。

多謝你的寶貴意見，其實在建立網頁過程中，遇到的怪事多不勝數，但最難對付的，便是有些人OK有些人怎樣也不行，像你說的情况，我真的沒有想過，因我在不同地方試過都沒問題，但無論如何，亦不必深究，千古成功在嘗試，我現在已將「電台粵劇欣賞」及「曲詞集」的連結改動為http://alapworld.com/radio2/radio2.htm 及http://alapworld.com/songwords/songword.htm，刪去了'_'，希望你可同其他兩個未改的一同試用比較，再告知我結果，其他曲友若有同樣問題，亦勸迎一同測試，謝謝大家。

立哥,
Coluld you explain once more about the following details in your "重要事項" 內----"未得網主同意，留言不可連結至歌曲檔案。" I can't really understnad what it means.
tony

Tony,

例如以下情形，未經立哥同意，是不容許的；因為有可能牽涉到版權問題。

情僧偷到瀟湘館

這是一個很好的問題，非常多謝 Joejoe代為答覆，或者我們在這裡作出一點兒補充。
因為所有在本站留言的曲友，都可以利用一個叫「超連結」的 html 碼功能，將某一首歌曲放在某一個屬於自己的伺服器內，流覽者祇須點擊一下，便可下載及收聽，正如 Joejoe 所給的例子便是。亦即是說，任何曲友，都可透過本網站的留言板或討論區等，將任何歌曲上網，包括一些唱片公司為某老倌最新灌錄的 CD。
這是有違本網站創立宗旨及我們做事原則的，因為這樣做不但會損害曲藝中人的利益，亦屬違法。我們不想曲友利用本網站做出此事，所以，除非我們確定登出該曲，符合大眾曲友利益而不會損害他人（例如坊間已絕跡的百年粵曲），我們才同意，這亦是我們在粵曲選錄中，祇會登出電台已公開播出的錄音的唯一原因。
很高興能有機會在此表明立場，希望曲友體諒及自律。

各位前輩，請惠賜賣油郎獨佔花魁劇情，謝謝

ah-lap, 7049 is actually 7048. Please correct

已更正，多謝告知。

請問立哥以上三支曲從那裡收聽到？

我也找不到呢！

以前常到深圳昌湖大廈的粵曲社唱歌﹐記得整座大廈都是曲社來的。但最近這兩年都未去過﹐上星期想上去唱歌﹐卻驚聞已經搬了﹐請問曲友們可有廣州及深圳的曲社地址､電話？可否email 給阿朱？先謝謝.....

Hi 阿朱:

深圳昌湖大廈的粵曲社 should be still operating. We went there in January this year and had good time there. The free shuttle bus runs frequently bewteen 深圳 station & 昌湖. The bus stop locates in the same old spot at 深圳 station in teh undercovered carpark. The cost starts from HK1000/4 hours. We did not make a booking and just walked into one of them. Most of the old ones are still operating. There are about 6+ studios.

We also went to the Moon Kong Hung Opera School in Canton. The contacts can be found in their web site attached to Alap's world. The cost was HK850/4 hours. You need to pre-book and the set length of a session is 4 hours either in the afternoon or evening. Mr. Siu had referred us to another one in the city centre (the Walking Street) which locates on the first floor of the Ping On Cinema. Pre-booking is also required. We walked past one afternoon and tried our luck without booking with no luck - there was nobody playing insdie. It appears to us that unlike those in Shenzchen, the two commercial studios in Canton seem not having too many business.

If you want further info, you are welcome to email pinpin at
i_am_pinpin@yahoo.com.au
We can send you the contact numbers as requested. Cheers louis

Hello, Louis.

Many thanks for your help.

阿立，
《曲詞集》第二页的6018 白蛇傳之遊湖、6019 玉梨魂之剪情和6023 章臺柳之賣箭的连接都失败，请即使更正，多谢！

多謝告知，已修復。

網主:

請可否從新連接曲詞集內的合兵破曹, 聽不到.....

已更正，請再試。
其實我正考慮取消曲詞集中的電台連結，因曲愈來愈多，應付電台存曲一年便刪除的更新工作頗為沉重。

thx..............................辛苦你啦!

曾介紹幾位粵曲發燒友上此網站尋曲,但現在網址一改.,,,,,(用電腦地址欄直接輸入中文<阿立粵曲天地>搜索一樣無法顯示)在不知道此網全名稱的情況下,用百度搜索引擎也非易事.,,,,,請問如何解決是好?

令到大家不便，真是十分抱歉，因我的通知期太短了。
但其實本網網址並沒有改，只是從多個共用網址中減至一個而已。
在 yahoo 打「阿立粵曲」，便應可順利找到，不知國內是否有別的問題？

立哥:小弟認識的人極少,不過多者都用上網助手或者百度搜索引擎,學生輩更甚.,,,我試過用百度搜索,只顯示曲友討論區.而指示回首頁的字太小,,,,,我所舉之例不能以篇蓋全.此訊息容國內其他網友測試後回答.

香港百份之九十八的网页无法打开.只能进入雅虎中国,按你指示,用搜索引擎,打入全名称,一样无显示.

上星期一直进入不了“阿立粤曲天地”网页，用以前在“收藏夹”中收藏的地址打开的是“香港XX公司”。简直让我发疯。后我用Google输入“阿立粤曲天地”进行搜索，竟搜到了，一点即入。

中大同學粵曲唱聚

二零零五年六月四日(星期六)
下午二時
香港中文大學崇基學院
利希慎音樂廳

一個由中大同學統籌及演出的粵曲演唱會，更有「雯藝軒」青少年粵樂曲藝團的同學參與演出,大、中、小學生的粵曲文化交流，實現「粵曲年輕化」。

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